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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The law I want regulates private property, not firearms.
    I want to take away laws that regulate both.

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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That's not a point, that's an opinion.
    No it is your opinion that more laws regulating guns is good for the 2nd Amendment. My point is that we should avoid laws that require tests and qualifications since those are the methods of choice in every country that have essentially banned firearms. All that you will achieve is holding the door open for gun control nuts.

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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    I want to take away laws that regulate both.
    My point was to correct your claim that I was trying to regulate firearms.

    If you want to categorically remove laws which regulate firearms, then I trust you oppose giving 'no-firearms' signs legal backing? I'm talking about states which make it a separate crime of criminal trespass, not someone who is asked to leave and refuses.

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    No it is your opinion that more laws regulating guns is good for the 2nd Amendment.
    I gave justification should the state choose to require a class. I don't have a strong opinion on this one. I can go either way. If the state wants me to take a class, fine, not the end of the world. If they don't, that's one less thing I have to worry about. One of the reasons I chose to live in SD is because we're moving away from requiring a permit at all. The existing permit doesn't require any kind of class. $10 and your permit arrives in the mail within 2 weeks. IMO we should make basic gun safety a mandatory part of the HS curriculum, that way everyone has the class by default even if they never own a gun.

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    My point is that we should avoid laws that require tests and qualifications since those are the methods of choice in every country that have essentially banned firearms. All that you will achieve is holding the door open for gun control nuts.
    IMO every citizen should have to do a 2-year term of military service. Couple that with the total elimination of CCWs and everyone is happy.
    Last edited by Jerry; 08-16-12 at 01:35 AM.

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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    The second amendment is inapplicable in this scenario. The second amendment forbids the government from infringing the right to bear arms, not business owners.
    Does this mean that the 18 yr old public high school senior can keep a firearm in their vehicle while parked in the school parking lot?
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Does this mean that the 18 yr old public high school senior can keep a firearm in their vehicle while parked in the school parking lot?
    No. Like all rights in the bill of rights, courts have to balance it against all kinds of other things like public safety.
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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Does this mean that the 18 yr old public high school senior can keep a firearm in their vehicle while parked in the school parking lot?
    No. Like all rights in the bill of rights, courts have to balance it against all kinds of other things like public safety.
    Then they're not really "rights". Their privileges subject to popular whim.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Then they're not really "rights". Their privileges subject to popular whim.
    They just aren't absolute rights. You can't really have an absolute right. Or, theoretically, you could have one... But you can't have more than one because they can conflict with one another. So they always need to be weighed against one another. That's just the nature of reality.
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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Your body and person is your privet property. They should not be able to ban people from carrying or storing anything (that is not illegal) on their person.
    If you came to my house and you wanted to carry your gun and I did not want you to bring it on to my property would you insist on bringing it on to my property or would you respect my wishes and leave it in the car?

    I agree with being allowed to carry a gun on you anywhere you want to (except for government buildings, court houses, banks, and ext.). But you must respect the wishes of those that do not want you to bring your gun onto their property. If you canít do that than just donít go onto those properties.
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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by comedy4all View Post
    If you came to my house and you wanted to carry your gun and I did not want you to bring it on to my property would you insist on bringing it on to my property or would you respect my wishes and leave it in the car?
    If I'm there as a social guest I would leave entirely. I have real credible threats against my self and family and there's nothing going on at your place which would justify my letting down my guard to those threats.

    Please understand that this is not meant to be personal to you in any way, nor is it unique to firearms. I would no sooner leave my cell phone in the car, either, because my child or elderly parents might have an emergency.

    My need to have the item is so great that I would be willing to cause tension in our friendship to keep it. I don't make the decision lightly, and I'd rather not have to make it at all, but if I'm forced into the corner have have to make it, I choose the item. Your gun-free house can't protect me from the very real gang members my ex-wife riled up. Your gun-free house can't protect me from the rabid wild dogs I've had to shoot in the past (which are the reason I started carrying in the first place).

    If I'm there as a contractor, I would put it in my car and look for an opportunity to retrieve it while you weren't paying attention. I need the job, so I'll make nice with the client, but I also need to be ready.

    Quote Originally Posted by comedy4all View Post
    I agree with being allowed to carry a gun on you anywhere you want to (except for government buildings, court houses, banks, and ext.). But you must respect the wishes of those that do not want you to bring your gun onto their property. If you can’t do that than just don’t go onto those properties.
    I have a hard time conveying to people how nieve that statement is. I didn't ask for my ex to turn bat-**** crazy and stir up some gang members. Chances are I didn't specifically request to be sent to you house, either. I just take whatever jobs I'm handed, employers tend to like that quality.

    From where I'm coming from, I have bills to pay just like everyone else. I have to have a job, and carpentry is what I'm trained in. It takes to much time and money to completely re-train to another profession just to roll the dice and see if that employer/client allows firearms. If they don't, then folks like yourself would expect me to take a few more years and another $10,000 to re-train yet again. I end up in an endless cycle of training, never actually having a career, all because I want nothing more than to exorsize a specifically enumerated constitutionally protected right. Also, there are credible threats I need to be ready for. I feel, and this is just how I view my situation, that I'm in a survival scenario. I have to avoid detection by the employer and client while remaining ready for the ex-wife's angry gang boyfriend.

    The way I see it, non of this has anything to do with respect in any way. It has nothing to do with respecting you or my employer. Braking the rules has nothing to do with disrespect, either. To me, the entire topic of respect is completely besides the point.

    To me, it's about survival.
    Last edited by Jerry; 08-16-12 at 04:29 AM.

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    Re: Which right holds sway?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    If I'm there as a social guest I would leave entirely. I have real credible threats against my self and family and there's nothing going on at your place which would justify my letting down my guard to those threats.

    Please understand that this is not meant to be personal to you in any way, nor is it unique to firearms. I would no sooner leave my cell phone in the car, either, because my child or elderly parents might have an emergency.

    My need to have the item is so great that I would be willing to cause tension in our friendship to keep it. I don't make the decision lightly, and I'd rather not have to make it at all, but if I'm forced into the corner have have to make it, I choose the item. Your gun-free house can't protect me from the very real gang members my ex-wife riled up. Your gun-free house can't protect me from the rabid wild dogs I've had to shoot in the past (which are the reason I started carrying in the first place).

    If I'm there as a contractor, I would put it in my car and look for an opportunity to retrieve it while you weren't paying attention. I need the job, so I'll make nice with the client, but I also need to be ready.



    I have a hard time conveying to people how nieve that statement is. I didn't ask for my ex to turn bat-**** crazy and stir up some gang members. Chances are I didn't specifically request to be sent to you house, either. I just take whatever jobs I'm handed, employers tend to like that quality.

    From where I'm coming from, I have bills to pay just like everyone else. I have to have a job, and carpentry is what I'm trained in. It takes to much time and money to completely re-train to another profession just to roll the dice and see if that employer/client allows firearms. If they don't, then folks like yourself would expect me to take a few more years and another $10,000 to re-train yet again. I end up in an endless cycle of training, never actually having a career, all because I want nothing more than to exorsize a specifically enumerated constitutionally protected right. Also, there are credible threats I need to be ready for. I feel, and this is just how I view my situation, that I'm in a survival scenario. I have to avoid detection by the employer and client while remaining ready for the ex-wife's angry gang boyfriend.

    The way I see it, non of this has anything to do with respect in any way. It has nothing to do with respecting you or my employer. Braking the rules has nothing to do with disrespect, either. To me, the entire topic of respect is completely besides the point.

    To me, it's about survival.
    Jerry heres the thing...we dont smoke in someones home that asks us not too...If someone tells me no guns allowed in their house...at that point my choice is...dont bring a gun in their house or dont go into their house. A persons home is their castle as I see it..

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