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    Is This Ruling Correct?

    Federal court rules Wisconsin schools' graduations in church were unconstitutional | Fox News

    A federal appeals court ruled Monday that two Wisconsin high schools violated the U.S. Constitution by holding graduations in a church -- among the most recent decisions in a long-running debate about the separation of church and state.


    A three-judge panel from the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in September the schools did nothing wrong by hold graduation in Elmbrook Church, in the southeastern part of the state.


    However, the full 7th Circuit reversed the panel, ruling Monday the ceremonies were unconstitutional and noting students were exposed to religious messages in the form of a giant cross that hung over the church's sanctuary and religious pamphlets on middle school and high school ministries and hymnals in the pews.

    So the question is, is the ruling that holding a graduation ceremony for a public school in a church unconstitutional correct?

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    Re: Is This Ruling Correct?

    Well, we have few dummies on the federal bench. To hold a public high school graduation in a church (on its face) does violate the separation clause.

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    Re: Is This Ruling Correct?

    The ruling is incorrect. Holding a graduation in a church is not wrong. If they forced everyone to participate in religious services it would be wrong.

    I find the comment in the article about being 'exposed' to be humorous because it is so ignorant. The constitution provides for freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion and it's 'symbols'.

    To hold a public high school graduation in a church (on its face) does violate the separation clause.
    BS. How can you even begin to justify such lunacy? It's a location, nothing more.
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    Re: Is This Ruling Correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Federal court rules Wisconsin schools' graduations in church were unconstitutional | Fox News

    So the question is, is the ruling that holding a graduation ceremony for a public school in a church unconstitutional correct?

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    It seems silly on its face. I'm going to make a WAG that they had a practical reason for holding the graduation in a church rather than in their high school. If not? Then....maybe....Hmmmm, maybe I have to rethink this.

    I'd need to know why it was held in a church in order to call it. I voted "I'm a Conservative, and I think it's wrong." Now I'm not so sure.
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    Re: Is This Ruling Correct?

    If there was nothing religious involved, I'm confused as to why they voted this way.
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    Re: Is This Ruling Correct?

    While it probably isn't wrong, it's probably a bad idea for the reasons given. It's likely going to make non-Christians uncomfortable and that ought to be avoided, just as they shouldn't hold it in a Muslim mosque or a Jewish synagogue or a strip club. Are they saying there was no other available space in town but the middle of the church? The church didn't have another public space available?

    Not wrong, just ill-conceived.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Is This Ruling Correct?

    I agree wit the full court's decision that it is unconstitutional for students to be exposed to material of a religion they don't agree with.


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    Re: Is This Ruling Correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Not wrong, just ill-conceived.
    Good point. I agree. Or, you could use a favorite Marine statement for this one. "Good initiative, bad judgement." You point about the mosque swung it for me. I would be outraged if my son had to into a mosque to graduate high school.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Good point. I agree. Or, you could use a favorite Marine statement for this one. "Good initiative, bad judgement." You point about the mosque swung it for me. I would be outraged if my son had to into a mosque to graduate high school.
    Why would having it in a mosque be a bad thing? If say the class is too big (with all the guests that will be there) for any of the locations at the school, what does it matter what the main purpose of the building they use is? Most often a 'church' will provide their space either free or for a much lower fee than other locations, for something like a high school graduation.

    Perhaps I am of a different mindset, because I prefer that people learn about all things out there, to be better educated in a worldly fashion, about what is out there, and what others believe. I call it tolerance.

    And for the record, I'm no fan of any religion, but it hasn't stopped me from going to services of many different religions to see what they were about.
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    Re: Is This Ruling Correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Why would having it in a mosque be a bad thing? If say the class is too big (with all the guests that will be there) for any of the locations at the school, what does it matter what the main purpose of the building they use is? Most often a 'church' will provide their space either free or for a much lower fee than other locations, for something like a high school graduation.

    Perhaps I am of a different mindset, because I prefer that people learn about all things out there, to be better educated in a worldly fashion, about what is out there, and what others believe. I call it tolerance.

    And for the record, I'm no fan of any religion, but it hasn't stopped me from going to services of many different religions to see what they were about.
    So you would have no issue with your child graduating high school in say, a strip club? After all, the strip club promised it would be cheap. I teach my son Christian values and he is a born again Christian. I have no desire for him to ever enter a mosque. I am tolerant as well. I am tolerant as far as if someone wants to practice Islam, they can. But I am not tolerant in that I don't mind seeing the Star and Crescent in the background while he's receiving his diploma. One of the most important things I have learned as I dive deeper and deeper into politics and law is the setting of precedent. When you set the precedent that no building is off limits for functions such as these, you open the floodgates for it to go the other way. And believe me, you can say it won't happen all you want. But one day some nut will try it.
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