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    Re: Is This Ruling Correct?

    I'm (non-religious) conservative and I think the decision is wrong. A graduation ceremony in a church is no more a religious event than a graduation ceremony on a football field is an athletic event. It's just a building.

    If people are up there preaching religion instead of reading the graduates' names like they're supposed to at a graduation, that's one thing. But what the building is normally used for is not the same thing as what the building is currently being used for. If it still has a huge crucifix above the podium, and you can still see St. Peter in the stained glass windows, so what? That would not be an example of government forcing religion on anyone. Freedom of religion does not mean freedom from religion.

    I've also believed for a long time that there is nothing unconstitutional about displaying the Ten Commandments in court rooms etc., as long as the law of the land is what's being enforced and not the (supposed) law of God.

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    Re: Is This Ruling Correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    I'm (non-religious) conservative and I think the decision is wrong. A graduation ceremony in a church is no more a religious event than a graduation ceremony on a football field is an athletic event. It's just a building.

    If people are up there preaching religion instead of reading the graduates' names like they're supposed to at a graduation, that's one thing. But what the building is normally used for is not the same thing as what the building is currently being used for. If it still has a huge crucifix above the podium, and you can still see St. Peter in the stained glass windows, so what? That would not be an example of government forcing religion on anyone. Freedom of religion does not mean freedom from religion.

    I've also believed for a long time that there is nothing unconstitutional about displaying the Ten Commandments in court rooms etc., as long as the law of the land is what's being enforced and not the (supposed) law of God.
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    Re: Is This Ruling Correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    What is the First Commandment?
    Don't know and don't care, as long as they are not being enforced as the law of the land.

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    Re: Is This Ruling Correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    Don't know and don't care, as long as they are not being enforced as the law of the land.
    "Thou shalt not have any Gods before me."

    That is not appropriate when a courthouse should not be biased.
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    Re: Is This Ruling Correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Then, as Arbo said to MarineTPartier, that's just religious intolerance.

    I'd want to see why it was held there as opposed to somewhere else. But it's a building. That's all. Nothing religious was presented or encouraged. It may have been poor judgment, but it did not violate the First Amendment with the information presented.
    Religious intolerance, once again, is me telling someone else they can't practice their religion. I'm not saying that. I'm saying I don't want my son inside a mosque. Which I have a perfect right to say. If someone wants to practice Islam, more power to them. If they want to build a mosque, have at it. If they want to force me into the mosque in order to see my son graduate, I now have a problem with that. My course of action would be to just hold my son out of graduation. I wouldn't force everyone else to bend to my beliefs. However, thats the way this was handled in our lawsuit happy country so here we are.
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    Re: Is This Ruling Correct?

    Did they get preached to?
    Were they forced to read the pamphlets or hymnals?
    Did the district save money by holding the graduations at the church?

    The cross argument I find absolutely idiotic. If another student wears a cross necklace to school then students are being exposed to religious symbols. If a student is allowed to wear a burka, same thing. What's the difference between exposure in the school and exposure in the church? So long as there was no religious ceremony, no prayer, no request that the students read the pamphlets or hymnals...I think the court was wrong. Too much PC, pansy ass interjection. Let people be.
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    Re: Is This Ruling Correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    "Thou shalt not have any Gods before me."

    That is not appropriate when a courthouse should not be biased.
    If someone is charged and/or convicted of having other gods besides God, that would be unconstitutional. Simply displaying it, but not enforcing it, is not unconstitutional, nor is it inappropriate IMO. EDIT: Because displaying it is not the same as passing a law or prohibiting the free exercise of Christianity or any other religion.
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    Re: Is This Ruling Correct?

    I think it's wrong. Churches can be used as voting sites, I don't see why graduations can't take place there.
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    Re: Is This Ruling Correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    To all those posters who equated this with holding high school graduation in a Mosque. Thanks. I've seen the light. That would be completely unacceptable to me.
    Sigh. It's sad that people still need to appeal to other's bigotry in order to get them to understand the need for separation of church and state.
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    Re: Is This Ruling Correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think it's wrong. Churches can be used as voting sites, I don't see why graduations can't take place there.
    Personally I'm uncomfortable with churches being used as voting sites. (I'd also be interested if any studies have been conducted to determine if voting in a church affects who people vote for.) But often when churches are used as a voting site, it's because it's the most convenient venue. I'm OK with graduation in churches too, if it's the only available venue and if religion isn't discussed/advocated...but generally the government should need to find a different venue for both graduation and voting, if there is one available IMO.
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