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    Re: Is This Ruling Correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Federal court rules Wisconsin schools' graduations in church were unconstitutional | Fox News



    So the question is, is the ruling that holding a graduation ceremony for a public school in a church unconstitutional correct?

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    Yes, I do think the ruling is right. There's no reason to hold a graduation in a church nowadays, and there are plenty of non-religious venues to hold such a ceremony.
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    Re: Is This Ruling Correct?

    No place else to hold the ceremony is a good dodge, there is the gym, the sports stadium, the Armory- our school just held it on a flat football practice field.

    I firmly believe that if the graduation had been held in a Mosque a different poster would have asked if holding a graduation surrounded by the trappings of the religion 'responsible' for 9-11 is treason, liberal brainwashing, a slap in the face of 'traditional 'Merican values', yet another example of the War on Christianity.

    How much you want to bet a nickle?

    I'll bet a separatist Texas nickle there was a number of places from the gym to the NG armory where the graduation could be held. I doubt there was some 'sinister' plan to convert atheists to Christianity, more like someone throwing their church a good hall rental fee as I doubt the Church held the graduation for free.

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    Re: Is This Ruling Correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Federal court rules Wisconsin schools' graduations in church were unconstitutional | Fox News



    So the question is, is the ruling that holding a graduation ceremony for a public school in a church unconstitutional correct?

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    No the ruling is not correct.The first amendment states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". Nowhere in this does it state that you can't hold school functions in religious buildings.
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    Re: Is This Ruling Correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    So you would have no issue with your child graduating high school in say, a strip club? After all, the strip club promised it would be cheap. I teach my son Christian values and he is a born again Christian. I have no desire for him to ever enter a mosque. I am tolerant as well. I am tolerant as far as if someone wants to practice Islam, they can. But I am not tolerant in that I don't mind seeing the Star and Crescent in the background while he's receiving his diploma. One of the most important things I have learned as I dive deeper and deeper into politics and law is the setting of precedent. When you set the precedent that no building is off limits for functions such as these, you open the floodgates for it to go the other way. And believe me, you can say it won't happen all you want. But one day some nut will try it.
    If the buildings primary purpose was 'strip club', and it was just empty and available for use as a church or mosque might be, it wouldn't matter to me. Of course, the strip club would never happen as even the biggest of them isn't big enough for such an event.

    If seeing symbols of one religion or another is enough to shake someones faith, they are not strong in their faith. My children, at different times, have had the chance to go to services with their friends, and I always approve of it, as it let's them see what others believe and learn differences between different cults (as that's all any religion really is). That people fear what people might see or learn just by walking in a building is yet another part of what I consider to be root of so many of our modern day problems.

    If you have delved into law at all, you would know that the constitution provides for the freedom OF religion, and that the 'separation of' is not part of it... the point the constitution makes is to give people the freedom to practice their religion, and to ensure the government does not establish a religion. None of which is being violated by holding a graduation in a church or mosque or temple.
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    Re: Is This Ruling Correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    No the ruling is not correct.The first amendment states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". Nowhere in this does it state that you can't hold school functions in religious buildings.
    You are correct. However, when we allow a school to hold a ceremony in a church, you set precedent to hold a grad in a mosque or some other building that most Americans wouldn't approve of. That's my reason for agreeing with it.
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    Re: Is This Ruling Correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    You are correct. However, when we allow a school to hold a ceremony in a church, you set precedent to hold a grad in a mosque or some other building that most Americans wouldn't approve of. That's my reason for agreeing with it.
    That is just showing religious intolerance.
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    Re: Is This Ruling Correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Federal court rules Wisconsin schools' graduations in church were unconstitutional | Fox News



    So the question is, is the ruling that holding a graduation ceremony for a public school in a church unconstitutional correct?

    Edit: for our centrist/independent posters, please choose the side closest to your views.
    I'm ambivalent. It's hard to see how using a church constitutes establishment of a state religion, or that it stops the free excercise of another religion.

    However, I can see how it can cause offense. I think it likely that the same people who are pleased as punch about it being a church would throw a fit if it were in a mosque. Just saying.


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    Re: Is This Ruling Correct?

    Lemon Test time. Remember, it has to satisfy all three criteria to pass.

    The government's action must have a secular legislative purpose;
    I'm guessing they were just looking for a venue at a reasonable cost? If so, Pass.

    The government's action must not have the primary effect of either advancing or inhibiting religion;
    That would have to be determined on a case-by-case basis. But if religion is advanced as a byproduct of the ceremony, and not the primary goal, then Pass.

    The government's action must not result in an "excessive government entanglement" with religion.
    This is probably going to be the biggest question of the three. What are the conditions of holding the ceremony in the church? Will ministers be speaking at all during the ceremony? Will any religious literature be available? Etc. If any of that happens, Fail. Otherwise, we'll talk.
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    Re: Is This Ruling Correct?

    To all those posters who equated this with holding high school graduation in a Mosque. Thanks. I've seen the light. That would be completely unacceptable to me.
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    Re: Is This Ruling Correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    To all those posters who equated this with holding high school graduation in a Mosque. Thanks. I've seen the light. That would be completely unacceptable to me.
    Then, as Arbo said to MarineTPartier, that's just religious intolerance.

    I'd want to see why it was held there as opposed to somewhere else. But it's a building. That's all. Nothing religious was presented or encouraged. It may have been poor judgment, but it did not violate the First Amendment with the information presented.
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