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Do you think water boarding is torture?[W:453]

Do you think water boarding is torture?


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and my point is that what the USAF goes through is not the same as what I went through. so it is an invalid comparison

Not sure on way or the another. The marine page suggest they may have went through less. But, all of the report that it is well supervised and advertise the safety of the program. That alone makes it different than what actual prisoners can expect. I'm sorry, but you're providing anything that disputes the actual evidence we have.
 
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I think it matters to the credibility of your claim. We can't possibily know how truthful you are, or how well your perception matches reality. We can't really know. But these things have a purpose, and I for one can think of no purpose in what you describe. So, I think he's trying to clarify so as to better understand what might have happened.

certain people with access to certain information that might find themselves held captive are held to a higher standard than others. the purpose is to determine a breaking point to see how much one can take without giving up information. if you care not to believe me, fine. you are entitled to your opinion that waterboarding is torture.
 
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Not sure on way or the another. The marine page suggest they may have went through less. But, all of the report that it is well supervised and advertise the safety of the program. That alone makes it different than what actual prisoners can expect. I'm sorry, but you're providing anything that disputes the actual evidence we have.

what the prisoners go through is safe. the interrogators don't want to kill the interrogatee. that would be counter-productive
 
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certain people with access to certain information that might find themselves held captive are held to a higher standard than others. the purpose is to determine a breaking point to see how much one can take without giving up information. if you care not to believe me, fine. you are entitled to your opinion that waterboarding is torture.

Actually, no that isn't the purpose. We know everyone will break. The purpose is to give you a taste to help prepare you for you might face. And to let you know you can lie, but will eventually face the consequences of that.
 
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what the prisoners go through is safe. the interrogators don't want to kill the interrogatee. that would be counter-productive

Safe? Well, prisners have died. Not sure if from waterboarding, but from our techniques. SO, I would say it is all that safe. And second, not knowing that it is safe is very different from knowing.
 
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Safe? Well, prisners have died. Not sure if from waterboarding, but from our techniques. .

and trainees have died in basic training. what's your point?
 
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Actually, no that isn't the purpose. We know everyone will break. The purpose is to give you a taste to help prepare you for you might face. And to let you know you can lie, but will eventually face the consequences of that.

since you haven't been throught the "training" you again have no idea what the purpose is. links to publically accessible website propaganda pages are meaningless.
 
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since you haven't been throught the "training" you again have no idea what the purpose is. links to publically accessible website propaganda pages are meaningless.

Again, first ahnd is not the only way to know something. Between us, I'm the one who has present actual evidence. And that evidence includes the purpose, clearly state, but those in positions to know.
 
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and trainees have died in basic training. what's your point?

Not through torture. Sorry. You're trying to make an apple to tree frog comparison.
 
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you are entitled to your opinion that waterboarding is torture.

It is a fact that it is torture, not an opinion, Section 2340 of Title 18 in the United States Code defines torture as:

As used in this chapter -
(1) "torture" means an act committed by a person acting under
the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical
or mental pain or suffering
(other than pain or suffering
incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his
custody or physical control;
(2) "severe mental pain or suffering" means the prolonged
mental harm caused by or resulting from
-
(A) the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of
severe physical pain or suffering
;
(B) the administration or application, or threatened
administration or application, of mind-altering substances or
other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or
the personality;
(C) the threat of imminent death; or
(D) the threat that another person will imminently be
subjected to death, severe physical pain or suffering, or the
administration or application of mind-altering substances or
other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or
personality; and

(3) "United States" means the several States of the United
States, the District of Columbia, and the commonwealths,
territories, and possessions of the United States.

And the Bill of Rights specifically states:

"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"

So it is torture. If there's a law somewhere that states otherwise, please correct me.

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I say do whatever it takes if the info you get can save American Lives.........
 
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I say do whatever it takes if the info you get can save American Lives.........

Anything? I've asked you before. Do you have a line you will not cross?
 
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They have no loved one held by a terrorist who might have his or head chopped off.......

Oh really? You have the political lean of every relative to an induvivual who has been captured by a terrorist?
 
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Yes, they did and do. They explain how they designed the perameters and how far they can go. And they are more knowledgable that you. So, while you think well of yourself, you ahve nto offered anything we can verifiy.

How did they know what it was like to be waterboarded IRL?
 
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I say do whatever it takes if the info you get can save American Lives.........

Even if it means that our men and women of the military will be tortured in the future as a result of our actions.....sorry, but we owe them more respect than that.
 
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How did they know what it was like to be waterboarded IRL?

It is their field of study. There is much written on it and many experts to testify. They have knowledge of more than just their personal experience, which for many is narrow and often seeing the tree but not the forest. They also know the rules set up which do not apply to those captured. It really isn't hard to see clearly that it would be impossible for you to get the same experience. So when they testify before congress that it was but a taste, explain the rules, explain the differences, they do in fact present a convince case. Much more convincing than what you offer, absent anything but what you think you experienced.
 
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Anything? I've asked you before. Do you have a line you will not cross?

Anything and we are talking about torture not the perverted things you mentioned.
 
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Oh really? You have the political lean of every relative to an induvivual who has been captured by a terrorist?

For me it has zero to do with politics.
 
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Even if it means that our men and women of the military will be tortured in the future as a result of our actions.....sorry, but we owe them more respect than that.

They already are, are you naive enough to believe the terrorists abide by the Geneva Convention> You don't remember them cutting off our soldiers heads........Shame on you.
 
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Even if it means that our men and women of the military will be tortured in the future as a result of our actions.....sorry, but we owe them more respect than that.

Sorry, but to this I say "Grow up and face reality".

Kindly name for me a single Allied soldier that is being held by the Taliban or al-Qaeda that has been given a single visit by the Red Crescent. Give me a report of a single Allied who was held POW who has not either dissapeared into a black hole with occasional videos surfacing with visible evidence of violence, or turned up as a mutilated corpse.

This stupid claim that "this will cause our men and women to be tortured" is just absolute nonsense. Because it has been going on for decades.



Col. Higgins, member of the UN Peacekeeping mission, was captured, held prisoner for over a year and constantly tortured, then his execution video taped and released to the media. And this kind of behavior has been going on for decades.

Tell me, what could they be doing that is worse? Can you name a single Prisoner that our enemies have held that has been visited by International Authorities? Has a single one of them been released? Have their bodies ever been turned over in appropriate ways (through neutral intermediaries), instead of being thrown into garbage dumps decapitated?

Grow up and face reality. They could not be doing much worse then they already are. I know guys who served in the grunts downrange. Generally it is a repeat of WWII in the Pacific, where they get promises from their buddies that they will be shot by their own comrades rather then be taken alive by that scum.
 
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Anything and we are talking about torture not the perverted things you mentioned.

If you have no line, anything means anything. I want to know where you draw the line. What moral core do you have?
 
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Sorry, but to this I say "Grow up and face reality".

Kindly name for me a single Allied soldier that is being held by the Taliban or al-Qaeda that has been given a single visit by the Red Crescent.

Here's what you miss, as the military has made the same argument he does. In the future we may fight a different enemy, one that had used proper restraint in the past. Now they don't have to as we have said such rule of law doesn't matter.
 
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Even if it means that our men and women of the military will be tortured in the future as a result of our actions.....sorry, but we owe them more respect than that.

Not that I agree completely with what NP said, I agree even less with you. Regardless of what we do, our captured servicemembers will be tortured and killed.
 
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