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Do you think water boarding is torture?[W:453]

Do you think water boarding is torture?

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X Factor said:
And now we're back to this question, what does it's effectiveness have to do with anything? If you oppose waterboarding on moral grounds, presumably it could be the most effective thing in the world and you'd all still oppose it? Right?
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Since it obviously isn't as effective, what is the point in defending it?
 
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Thorgasm said:
Since it obviously isn't as effective, what is the point in defending it?
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It can be and has been effective. Even the Obama administration has had to admit that.
 
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Torture for verifiable information works. Torture for confession does not. But people weren't waterboarded for confession (we knew damn well those three were responsible for killing many), they were waterboarded for verfiable information and it worked. It was the three 'highest' people we had and it was presumably a "ticking-timebomb" scenario.
 
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Boo Radley said:
Which means what? We should embrace this thinking?
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It simply means to put down one side for such a thing, while supporting the other side which does the same thing, is the mt. everest of hypocrisy.
 
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Catawba said:
Versus Romney who said it was too soon to withdraw our troops.
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Obama thought a lot of things before he was elected and started getting daily briefs with above TS information. Everyone running for office does. And then they get in and get informed, and their opinions tend to change.
 
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MaggieD said:
I still have a feeling we just turn these people over to other countries to do our torture for us. Maybe I'm just cynical, but I don't think so.
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You bring up a good point, is it more 'moral' for us to use some psychological 'torture' like water boarding, or to turn someone over to a government that is known to use electricity, removal of body parts and many other forms of disfiguring physical tourture?
 
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X Factor said:
And now we're back to this question, what does it's effectiveness have to do with anything? If you oppose waterboarding on moral grounds, presumably it could be the most effective thing in the world and you'd all still oppose it? Right?
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You dodged the question of where you drew the line.
 
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X Factor said:
It can be and has been effective. Even the Obama administration has had to admit that.
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Not exactly. It is assumed to work, but that is simply an assumption. As an example, you can drive a stake by holding it one hand while carefully trying to hit it with a spedgehammer. It is difficult and slow and you will damage the sledgehammer handle, but you can drive a stake that way. You can also slip a stake driver over the top of the stake, bounce it up and down a few times and get the job done easily. You can claim the first way is effective since it gets the job done, but it is far from the best way.
 
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One thing you need to consider when it comes to "enhanced interrogation techniques" is we are not interrogating little billy that stole a pack of gum. Some of these guys we have been tracking for years and have file cabinets full of information about them. We know who they are, what they have done, and what levels of access they had. What we don't know are specific details.

Its not like being blindfolded and trying to hit a bullseye with darts. We have accesses to databases and real time information collection to cross reference any information we see and verify its accuracy.
 
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DaveFagan said:
We are discussing the policies of the "chimp-in-chief" (Bartcop.com) and that should pretty much sum it up. We attacked Iraq! Iraq was not a threat. Let's get this all in perspective. Remember the "terror alerts" and their phony colored lights. A huge campaign to make USAmericans scared of an imaginary enemy. This is the same group that brought you waterboarding. Enough said.
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Are you suggesting that 9/11 is of no importance?
 
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Paratrooper said:
One thing you need to consider when it comes to "enhanced interrogation techniques" is we are not interrogating little billy that stole a pack of gum. Some of these guys we have been tracking for years and have file cabinets full of information about them. We know who they are, what they have done, and what levels of access they had. What we don't know are specific details.

Its not like being blindfolded and trying to hit a bullseye with darts. We have accesses to databases and real time information collection to cross reference any information we see and verify its accuracy.
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The point is that our country should not be torturing anyone regardless of what we know about them. Seriously if we know so much why do we need to torture them? All that you have done is made an excuse for why our country would engage in activity that would be expected by Cuba, China, North Korea, Iran, etc. But not from the US since we are the good guys.
 
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Arbo said:
It simply means to put down one side for such a thing, while supporting the other side which does the same thing, is the mt. everest of hypocrisy.
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Which is what we've been doing. Those who supported Bush's policy of torture excused us while putting others down. Calling you on your hypocrisy is what we've been doing.
 
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X Factor said:
And now we're back to this question, what does it's effectiveness have to do with anything? If you oppose waterboarding on moral grounds, presumably it could be the most effective thing in the world and you'd all still oppose it? Right?
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You can oppose something for more than one reason. The number one reason is that it is immoral. Number two, illegal. And number three, not very effective. Three reasons is ususally a fairly good number.
 
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X Factor said:
It can be and has been effective. Even the Obama administration has had to admit that.
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Can be? Low bar there. Measured against other methods it has been shown to be less effective. This should be considered.
 
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Paratrooper said:
One thing you need to consider when it comes to "enhanced interrogation techniques" is we are not interrogating little billy that stole a pack of gum. Some of these guys we have been tracking for years and have file cabinets full of information about them. We know who they are, what they have done, and what levels of access they had. What we don't know are specific details.

Its not like being blindfolded and trying to hit a bullseye with darts. We have accesses to databases and real time information collection to cross reference any information we see and verify its accuracy.
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Of course that depends on you actually having the right person with actual information. That taxi driver we killed wasn't it. The fellow from Canada with the wrong name wasn't either. And al Libi simply didn't have the information, but gave us inaccurate information that we used, hooray now that was a success. What can you show that is as verifiable as those?
 
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Van Basten said:
There's nothing to think about. Waterboarding is by definition a form of torture. Can't imagine why anyone would vote no.
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On this board and in the world, we have both the sensitive and insensitive. Liberals and Conservatives...
Funny in that many (the Arabs, in particular) have a fear of drowning......I do as well...is this not "normal" ??
Of course "waterboarding is torture. But many of us think this is OK....and far too many are not civilized...yet....this takes time....
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
:rofl Someone knows me well. What kind of porn? I'm now intrigued here . . .
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hmmm....let's see. i'm thinking you toss the softcore crap, you like to go straight for the real nasty hardcore stuff. I'm thinking interracial gangbang. :mrgreen:

I can also see you doing some dominatrixing. Mistress Spiker. I can totally picture you in some black leather thigh-highs and a corsett, holding a whip, and talking in a thick fake russian accent "You have been a VERY naughty boy!" :lol:
 
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Boo Radley said:
Of course that depends on you actually having the right person with actual information. That taxi driver we killed wasn't it. The fellow from Canada with the wrong name wasn't either. And al Libi simply didn't have the information, but gave us inaccurate information that we used, hooray now that was a success. What can you show that is as verifiable as those?
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Getting bad information is better than getting no information at all.
 
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the_recruit said:
hmmm....let's see. i'm thinking you toss the softcore crap, you like to go straight for the real nasty hardcore stuff. I'm thinking interracial gangbang. :mrgreen:

I can also see you doing some dominatrixing. Mistress Spiker. I can totally picture you in some black leather thigh-highs and a corsett, holding a whip, and talking in a thick fake russian accent "You have been a VERY naughty boy!" :lol:
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Hmm . . . almost. gangbangs are softcore, red and black are my preferred colors, and no fake accent. :D
 
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If we are completely morally ok with our own soldiers and other personnel being tortured, then we should torture. If not, then we should not. To me it is a simple question.
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
Hmm . . . almost. gangbangs are softcore, red and black are my preferred colors, and no fake accent. :D
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**** me! I gotta start dating older women...
 
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johnny_rebson said:
Getting bad information is better than getting no information at all.
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No it isn't. You make wrong decisions when based on wrong information (see al Libi).
 
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Hatuey said:
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24107, Anagram, Arcana XV, ashurbanipal, Baralis, Bodhisattva, Catawba, DA60, DaveFagan, Dezaad, DiavoTheMiavo, DVSentinel, earthworm, finebead, FreedomFromAll, Fruityfact, German guy, Gina, gunner, Hare, iguanaman, IndieVisible, Jetboogieman, Jredbaron96, kerussll, Lokiate, MaggieD, Manc Skipper, Mickey Shane, molten_dragon, MoSurveyor, mpg, MSgt, Neomalthusian, notquiteright, OnWisconsin, Paratrooper, peepnklown, PeteEU, PirateMk1, Risky Thicket, Sarcogito, Smart, SmokeAndMirrors, Somerville, Sonic, specklebang, teamosil, TheDemSocialist, TheLastIndependent, Thorgasm, upsideguy, Van Basten, Wiggen, Your Star, Zariak

Glad to be amongst you all. Cheers.
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My vote is just in the wrong place. But the company you note is good company.
 
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For the record I don't condone torture, but I am not so naive as to think there is not a situation where it might be useful.
People's definition of torture has expanded to cover pretty much anything othe than asking them a question nicely.
We do things to our own soldiers that are illegal to do to terrorist, I find that mind boggling.
 
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