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Do you think water boarding is torture?[W:453]

Do you think water boarding is torture?

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Catawba said:
Obama ended Bushes war in Iraq,
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He 'ended it' because it was time. The Iraqis were trained up to police and defend themselves, they had gained control for the most part.

I selected 'NO' for the poll because I find water boarding to be less of a mental torture than reading what some people on this forum continue to spew out.
 
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Those who align themselves with torture, have aligned themselves with every bad government that has ever existed. Torture never justifies the ends period. To say so means things like: Ban all guns since people die from guns. Once you open the door it is a slippery slope that ends in hell.


Want to catch the bad guy before he does something hobble? Then do the foot work. Torture gives the terrorist ammo on us. IMO those that think that some torture is ok are anti-Americans since they are destroying our good name with ignorant beliefs that defy what this country is about. The bad guy uses things like torture not the good guys. In fact enhanced interrogation water boarding and so on should be treasonous activity. But the Right cant see any of this so the Left gets to rub it in their faces, pathetic. It makes you wonder if the Right is really that stupid or are they that bad?

You guys should make posters "We support torture!" That should win elections right? Think about that. How can citizens get behind a faction that asserts that the ends justify the means. All your good dictatorships use such reasoning.
 
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FreedomFromAll said:
How can citizens get behind a faction that asserts that the ends justify the means. All your good dictatorships use such reasoning.
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And you believe both sides don't use such thinking???
 
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Arbo said:
And you believe both sides don't use such thinking???
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Which means what? We should embrace this thinking?
 
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Arbo said:
And you believe both sides don't use such thinking???
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The Constitution is not optional. If there are exceptions to the laws what stops the laws from not existing? Justifying torture is like justifying anarchy.
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
So the ends justify the means, then?

That isn't the issue or problem with torture as a means of extracting information.

I remember Bill O'reilly going on about 'well if it was YOUR family in danger wouldn't you want to torture the truth out of someone?' - Does make it RIGHT to do so no matter what the outcome is *for you and others*

Don't overlook the ISSUE in favor of unethical practices.
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I'm sorry, if wetting a towl on a dude's head, or keeping a guy up for awhile or listening to loud music 24/7 means we gain information that prevents another 9/11 or gets us someone like Osama Bin Laden, then yes, to me, those ends justify those means and, actually I'd be tolerant of a whole lot more.
 
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X Factor said:
I'm sorry, if wetting a towl on a dude's head, or keeping a guy up for awhile or listening to loud music 24/7 means we gain information that prevents another 9/11 or gets us someone like Osama Bin Laden, then yes, to me, those ends justify [/b]those[/b] means and, actually I'd be tolerant of a whole lot more.
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Of course you would - no lines. Just erase those suckers right now . . . we have no moral compass, eh. So long as we protect our own. . . anything for the nation, eh? No restraints.
 
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Arbo said:
He 'ended it' because it was time.
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Versus Romney who said it was too soon to withdraw our troops.
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
Of course you would - no lines. Just erase those suckers right now . . . we have no moral compass, eh. So long as we protect our own. . . anything for the nation, eh? No restraints.
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If waterboarding is worst of what we did then I'd say we did show restraint.
 
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X Factor said:
If waterboarding is worst of what we did then I'd say we did show restraint.
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Thankfully, the majority of the country disagrees with you.
 
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Catawba said:
Thankfully, the majority of the country disagrees with you.
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The majority of the country disagrees that we showed restraint?
 
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X Factor said:
I'm sorry, if wetting a towl on a dude's head, or keeping a guy up for awhile or listening to loud music 24/7 means we gain information that prevents another 9/11 or gets us someone like Osama Bin Laden, then yes, to me, those ends justify those means and, actually I'd be tolerant of a whole lot more.
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So you would trade morality for security?
 
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X Factor said:
If waterboarding is worst of what we did then I'd say we did show restraint.
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Indeed: it was only used a few number of times (that we know of, anyway) - did it save the world? Why are some so hellbent on making it allowable? We don't do it now - are we suffering for that lack? Just what tragic events have happened - what lives have been lost - because we stopped? We use many - MANY - other forms of interrogation and none of them are contested or raise near as much concern. Are those not satisfactory and useful in lieu of?

Obviously it's a non-necessity seeing as how we've done without extensive use of it.

Obviously arguments supporting it are thinner than skin - and useless.
 
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X Factor said:
If waterboarding is worst of what we did then I'd say we did show restraint.
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It wasn't the worst, but even if it was it would make no difference. Breaking the law, ingoring our values, being immoral, even just is the same on any scale.
 
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Redress said:
So you would trade morality for security?
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I'm not sure I believe using a relatively harmless techinique (although I'm sure it doesn't feel harmless) to gain information that could potentially prevent terrorism or that could lead us to someone like Bin Laden is immoral.
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
Indeed: it was only used a few number of times (that we know of, anyway) - did it save the world? Why are some so hellbent on making it allowable? We don't do it now - are we suffering for that lack? Just what tragic events have happened - what lives have been lost - because we stopped? We use many - MANY - other forms of interrogation and none of them are contested or raise near as much concern. Are those not satisfactory and useful in lieu of?

Obviously it's a non-necessity seeing as how we've done without extensive use of it.

Obviously arguments supporting it are thinner than skin - and useless.
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I still have a feeling we just turn these people over to other countries to do our torture for us. Maybe I'm just cynical, but I don't think so.
 
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X Factor said:
I'm not sure I believe using a relatively harmless techinique (although I'm sure it doesn't feel harmless) to gain information that could potentially prevent terrorism or that could lead us to someone like Bin Laden is immoral.
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No evidence that it ever has, but where's your line? What will you not cross?

BTW, if it was harmless, there would be no chance of it working. Just something to think about.
 
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MaggieD said:
I still have a feeling we just turn these people over to other countries to do our torture for us. Maybe I'm just cynical, but I don't think so.
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You may be right. I hope not. But I think you're like right.
 
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MaggieD said:
I still have a feeling we just turn these people over to other countries to do our torture for us. Maybe I'm just cynical, but I don't think so.
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We probably do - whic hI strongly oppose.

My American Arrogance Upbringing instilled values in me that we're above such efforts and we're superior to the whims of brutality and cruelty that our enemies would bestow upon us in turn.
 
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X Factor said:
I'm not sure I believe using a relatively harmless techinique (although I'm sure it doesn't feel harmless) to gain information that could potentially prevent terrorism or that could lead us to someone like Bin Laden is immoral.
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You said you would be tolerant of a whole lot more. Where do you draw the line?

As a side note, EIT are less effective than standard interrogation techniques.
Exclusive: Senate probe finds little evidence of effective torture | Reuters
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/30/washington/30interrogate.html?_r=1
http://66.35.36.177:21980/LegalDev/...y.-Accuracy of eyewitness memory...Morgan.pdf
Testimony
And many more.
 
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Redress said:
You said you would be tolerant of a whole lot more. Where do you draw the line?

As a side note, EIT are less effective than standard interrogation techniques.
Exclusive: Senate probe finds little evidence of effective torture | Reuters
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/30/washington/30interrogate.html?_r=1
http://66.35.36.177:21980/LegalDev/...y.-Accuracy of eyewitness memory...Morgan.pdf
Testimony
And many more.
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Which is why I've never understood the fantical support for something largely illegal, immoral and less effective.
 
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X Factor said:
The majority of the country disagrees that we showed restraint?
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No the majority of the country disagree with your statement here:

X Factor said:
If waterboarding is worst of what we did then I'd say we did show restraint.
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Boo Radley said:
No evidence that it ever has, but where's your line? What will you not cross?

BTW, if it was harmless, there would be no chance of it working. Just something to think about.
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Aunt Spiker said:
Indeed: it was only used a few number of times (that we know of, anyway) - did it save the world? Why are some so hellbent on making it allowable? We don't do it now - are we suffering for that lack? Just what tragic events have happened - what lives have been lost - because we stopped? We use many - MANY - other forms of interrogation and none of them are contested or raise near as much concern. Are those not satisfactory and useful in lieu of?

Obviously it's a non-necessity seeing as how we've done without extensive use of it.

Obviously arguments supporting it are thinner than skin - and useless.
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Aunt Spiker said:
We probably do - whic hI strongly oppose.

My American Arrogance Upbringing instilled values in me that we're above such efforts and we're superior to the whims of brutality and cruelty that our enemies would bestow upon us in turn.
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Redress said:
You said you would be tolerant of a whole lot more. Where do you draw the line?

As a side note, EIT are less effective than standard interrogation techniques.
Exclusive: Senate probe finds little evidence of effective torture | Reuters
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/30/washington/30interrogate.html?_r=1
http://66.35.36.177:21980/LegalDev/...y.-Accuracy of eyewitness memory...Morgan.pdf
Testimony
And many more.
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And now we're back to this question, what does it's effectiveness have to do with anything? If you oppose waterboarding on moral grounds, presumably it could be the most effective thing in the world and you'd all still oppose it? Right?
 
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Catawba said:
No the majority of the country disagree with your statement here:




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My statement there was that we did show restraint by utilizing waterboarding. That would be the statement that you say the majority of the country disagrees with me about.
 
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We are discussing the policies of the "chimp-in-chief" (Bartcop.com) and that should pretty much sum it up. We attacked Iraq! Iraq was not a threat. Let's get this all in perspective. Remember the "terror alerts" and their phony colored lights. A huge campaign to make USAmericans scared of an imaginary enemy. This is the same group that brought you waterboarding. Enough said.
 
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