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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    Torture: the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty.

    I'd say it fits quite easily within that definition. So, yes.
    I was waterboarded and I didn't find it to be painful to the point that I would say it was "excruciating". But of course that is subjective.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
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    You just have to take the red pill.

    The track record is clear. Why is it that Liberals ignre GITMO today? Why is it that Liberals ignore civilian deaths today via escallated UAV attacks in soveriegn nations? Why is it that Liberals ignore the fact that this Presidential administration has brought more charges on leakers than any President going back to Nixon? What happened to the promise of transparency and rejoicing over whistle blowers under Bush? What happened to the whines of soveriegnty and GITMO under Bush?

    The truth is that Liberals are the quickest to dismiss what they pretend to believe in as soon as their hype proves to be other than the dream. Kennedy was dubbed "Camelot" despite his banging out behind his wife and landing us in Vietnam. Clinton was completely worshipped despite his banging out of interns (I guess Liberal women stopped caring about such deceits and betrayals in their men). And when it has come to Obama, everything they bitched about under Bush has been ignored under Obama despite escallation.

    With prisoners in American prisons being raped and beat up constantly, do you actually think Obama's "no torture" statements mean that captured terrorist with information are being taken to Disney Land for nightly visits to appease comfort?

    HIstorically, nation protection and building has and will always involve the gutter, no matter how hard idiot Leftist dreamers in America pretend otherwise.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    While I said yes, I think the average persons idea of "torture" has evolved quite a bit.

    Now getting less than 8 hours of sleep is torture, or not getting meals that meet your dietary preference, etc. These days people would consider being tickled or being forced to listen to Justin Bieber as torture.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    If it makes the victims feel like they're drowning, then yes, it's torture.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Waterboarding is a fine line between uncomfortable interrogation and torture. However, the fact that America had the UN define it as torture many many years ago means that it is torture. And as we all know, despite the global denial, what we say goes. But who cares? Does it really matter? At this point in history, no power on earth can do a thing without our involvement. France and the rest of the rabble drug us through the gutter chastizing us for our boldness to take down Saddam Hussein once and for all....did that stop them from begging our participation over Libya? And when it comes to the European financial crisis, would it stop them from reaching a point where they are begging us for a financial handout? Wth China and Russia blocking UN efforts with Iran and Syria do people actually think nations in Europe are the opposing side? Even Europeans seek American intervention just to legitimize an opposing force, which is why they hate when we dare to dip a toe in the depraved waters they purified throughout history.

    Oh, but waterboarding a few individuals (on record) in the light of France publicly torturing tens of thousands of Tunisians make us evil? I guess it does to Leftists who can't fathom a world where only America is guilty and even more so if we dared to even think about doing what our allies have perfected.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratrooper View Post
    While I said yes, I think the average persons idea of "torture" has evolved quite a bit.

    Sure it has. Spanking your child is child abuse now too. Is it a coincidence that shooting up high schools and theaters came after the politically correct idea of discipline?

    Protecting a nation like ours, which flies in the face of history and has accumulated mass enemies along the way, takes being loved and being feared. We have lost our idea of what it takes to be feared. We are the nation that dropped two atomic bombs and brought an empire to its knees in a part of a war that consumed more global space than any other in history. We are the nation that survived to the ideological title bout with one other and watched them internally combust as they tried to compete with us globally. We are the nation that perfected religious harmony and saw the world reach and cling to our culture. We lead the world in modern culture while all others have surrendered their global cultural contributions to history.

    But today we fool ourselves into thinking that such things will always be if we only pamper our enemies and share. Even China seeks to join with the system we created. We are the ones too afraid to be who we are. And it comes down to people being being instructed to be ashamed of their nation and to be humble to inferiors. It's our lack of understanding into ourselves that makes us fear the rise of China....makes us fear terrorist organizations who rely on media outlets to convince the world that they matter and that they win with every terrorized and blown up civilian.

    We have won in history because phrases like "at what cost" stayed in the classroom of ethics and philosophy. Phrases like "we have to put our house in order first" are for cowards who seek excuses to hide in the basement because confronting the neighbor who screws up you side of the lawn mighht hit you. "At what cost" didn't stop the allies from bombing out Dresden and us from bombing out Hiroshima and Nagasaki. We talk of the "Greatest Generation," but pretend that that they won and achieved greatness by not punishing the enemy to victory. Today we coddle our way and cause more death as we preach about how moral we are. We self-flaggelate and offer global apologies for three terrorist waterboarding cases while the enemy slaughters people we are supposed to protect.
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    We have probably had a poll on this subject before but we have a lot of new member so what do you think?
    News reporters would not subject themselves to actual torture techniques in order to prove that it is a torture technique. Therefore my answer is no. Now, if you can give me an example of an American news media member who subjected themselves to being buried with just a hole for breathing for 24 hours, or having a car battery hooked up to their nipples, or having extremities cut off, or having their finger nails pulled off to prove that those techniques are torture, I might change my opinion on water boarding. Any takers?
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratrooper View Post
    While I said yes, I think the average persons idea of "torture" has evolved quite a bit.

    Now getting less than 8 hours of sleep is torture, or not getting meals that meet your dietary preference, etc. These days people would consider being tickled or being forced to listen to Justin Bieber as torture.
    I hate to say this but Justin Bieber's newest stuff isn't so bad.
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    It is most certainly torture.

    Two things.

    1. The idea that torture never works is ludicrous.

    2. The idea it's always nessecary is equally ludicrous.

    Now, I am of the persuasion that those who don't consider it torture, do so in part, whether they realize it or not to save face. If its not torture, then they don't have to feel bad their nation engaged in it.

    However it is torture and if thats what you feel you have to do to defend your nation, then you will do it anyway, just stop skirting around the issue, just say it outright "we will torture people to defend ourselves".

    Stop trying to pretend you have the moral high ground.
    We should rarely deal in absolutes. But there is an effectiveness scale. And largely, torture has problems when it comes to being effective (unless you want confessions because nearly everyone will confess, quilty or not).

    However, I completely agree with the rest. When we tried to excuse waterboarding and other measures we completely lost any pretense of holding the moral high ground.

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