The track record is clear. Why is it that Liberals ignre GITMO today? Why is it that Liberals ignore civilian deaths today via escallated UAV attacks in soveriegn nations? Why is it that Liberals ignore the fact that this Presidential administration has brought more charges on leakers than any President going back to Nixon? What happened to the promise of transparency and rejoicing over whistle blowers under Bush? What happened to the whines of soveriegnty and GITMO under Bush?
The truth is that Liberals are the quickest to dismiss what they pretend to believe in as soon as their hype proves to be other than the dream. Kennedy was dubbed "Camelot" despite his banging out behind his wife and landing us in Vietnam. Clinton was completely worshipped despite his banging out of interns (I guess Liberal women stopped caring about such deceits and betrayals in their men). And when it has come to Obama, everything they bitched about under Bush has been ignored under Obama despite escallation.
With prisoners in American prisons being raped and beat up constantly, do you actually think Obama's "no torture" statements mean that captured terrorist with information are being taken to Disney Land for nightly visits to appease comfort?
HIstorically, nation protection and building has and will always involve the gutter, no matter how hard idiot Leftist dreamers in America pretend otherwise.
While I said yes, I think the average persons idea of "torture" has evolved quite a bit.
Now getting less than 8 hours of sleep is torture, or not getting meals that meet your dietary preference, etc. These days people would consider being tickled or being forced to listen to Justin Bieber as torture.
If it makes the victims feel like they're drowning, then yes, it's torture.
Waterboarding is a fine line between uncomfortable interrogation and torture. However, the fact that America had the UN define it as torture many many years ago means that it is torture. And as we all know, despite the global denial, what we say goes. But who cares? Does it really matter? At this point in history, no power on earth can do a thing without our involvement. France and the rest of the rabble drug us through the gutter chastizing us for our boldness to take down Saddam Hussein once and for all....did that stop them from begging our participation over Libya? And when it comes to the European financial crisis, would it stop them from reaching a point where they are begging us for a financial handout? Wth China and Russia blocking UN efforts with Iran and Syria do people actually think nations in Europe are the opposing side? Even Europeans seek American intervention just to legitimize an opposing force, which is why they hate when we dare to dip a toe in the depraved waters they purified throughout history.
Oh, but waterboarding a few individuals (on record) in the light of France publicly torturing tens of thousands of Tunisians make us evil? I guess it does to Leftists who can't fathom a world where only America is guilty and even more so if we dared to even think about doing what our allies have perfected.
Sure it has. Spanking your child is child abuse now too. Is it a coincidence that shooting up high schools and theaters came after the politically correct idea of discipline?
Protecting a nation like ours, which flies in the face of history and has accumulated mass enemies along the way, takes being loved and being feared. We have lost our idea of what it takes to be feared. We are the nation that dropped two atomic bombs and brought an empire to its knees in a part of a war that consumed more global space than any other in history. We are the nation that survived to the ideological title bout with one other and watched them internally combust as they tried to compete with us globally. We are the nation that perfected religious harmony and saw the world reach and cling to our culture. We lead the world in modern culture while all others have surrendered their global cultural contributions to history.
But today we fool ourselves into thinking that such things will always be if we only pamper our enemies and share. Even China seeks to join with the system we created. We are the ones too afraid to be who we are. And it comes down to people being being instructed to be ashamed of their nation and to be humble to inferiors. It's our lack of understanding into ourselves that makes us fear the rise of China....makes us fear terrorist organizations who rely on media outlets to convince the world that they matter and that they win with every terrorized and blown up civilian.
We have won in history because phrases like "at what cost" stayed in the classroom of ethics and philosophy. Phrases like "we have to put our house in order first" are for cowards who seek excuses to hide in the basement because confronting the neighbor who screws up you side of the lawn mighht hit you. "At what cost" didn't stop the allies from bombing out Dresden and us from bombing out Hiroshima and Nagasaki. We talk of the "Greatest Generation," but pretend that that they won and achieved greatness by not punishing the enemy to victory. Today we coddle our way and cause more death as we preach about how moral we are. We self-flaggelate and offer global apologies for three terrorist waterboarding cases while the enemy slaughters people we are supposed to protect.
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- Colonel Paul YinglingNobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.
Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.
All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
However, I completely agree with the rest. When we tried to excuse waterboarding and other measures we completely lost any pretense of holding the moral high ground.
AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.