AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.
In the immediate aftermath of 911, I feel that the 3 top terrorists in custody did have information the equivalent of a ticking time bomb. Those 3 people were definately mass murdering terrorists and they definately had verifiable info about on-going terrorist operations. We didn't know what was next, we didn't have a grasp on the situation - and they did. I feel it was justified and even necessary.Outside of television, there is really no such thing as a ticking bomb. To believe we'd have the right person, with the right information, with enough time requires a lot of willing suspension of disbelief. Not only that, verification takes time. So, lying will not only buy time, but cause us to waste time.
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There was nothing we could have tortured them for. In fact, all we needed to stop them was the FBI and CIA saring information. Torture wasn't required. I think some over react out of fear. I also think Bush used that fear to do some pretty stupid ****. I think better of us, and believe we have the courage to keep our heads and do what is not only moral, but more effective.In the immediate aftermath of 911, I feel that the 3 top terrorists in custody did have information the equivalent of a ticking time bomb. Those 3 people were definately mass murdering terrorists and they definately had verifiable info about on-going terrorist operations. We didn't know what was next, we didn't have a grasp on the situation - and they did. I feel it was justified and even necessary.
I'll agree to disagree, and we'll see what happened in a couple/few decades. In the meantime, I'm ok with waterboarding 3 top people for verifiable information that likely saved lives (I mean, c'mon, they were terrorists, it's not like they had information about anything other than killing). You can continue to claim that it was pointless, etc, and it's not like any secret documents regarding it are coming out anytime soon. I think you're jumping to judgement, based on ignorance. I'll give a western liberal democracy the benefit of the doubt on something so limited (3 top people) and in the aftermath of 9/11.
Note, that does not mean that I advocate Iran's massive torture system. I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to a western liberal democracy that only waterboarded 3 known top terrorists in the aftermath of the largest terrorist attack in history. I'm not advocating torture in general.
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I don't believe so.The fact is, it is easy enough to provide verifiable evidence where we got inaccurate information and acted on it.
I don't believe so.It is easy enough top show verifiable evidence that we tortured the wrong people.
Secret information is not readily released.We should be able to produce some verifiable evidence of success if some exists.
I disagree. Given the testimony by members of the Senate intelligence committee, I'd say the evidence is there but is not being released yet.It is unlikely that any really exists, especially some that could not or did not come about through other means.
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Again, wrong. We have the from Canada with the wrong name, and the cab driver we killed in Afghanistan. verifiable, and not what we thought they were.I don't believe so.
Again, the other was easily released. And they tried hard to throw out stuff that was shown false (that too is documented and easily verifiable - see both the Brooklyn Bridge blow torch terrorist and the 2nd wave 9/11)Secret information is not readily released.
And I suggest easy to say, harder to prove.I disagree. Given the testimony by members of the Senate intelligence committee, I'd say the evidence is there but is not being released yet.