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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Not really. Ticking time bomb scenario... the person gives info, the info is verified, if the info is a lie, things get worse. When the info is verifiable, torture works every time.
    Depends on the person and their comittmet to their cause. The head hanchoes of these terrorist opperations are rarely as commited as their people. We have been lucky so far. Wait till we get one that wont break. Then what?
    Besides not all info is immeadiatly verifiable. Then what do you do? You have to break the terrorists before they come gunning for you by detering them from gunning for you in the first place. You make the price so confiscatory and so barbaric as to give even the most hardended bastards pause. They have to understand you WILL be a bastard that will stop at nothing to get them. That means you do so very bad and nasty deeds and make sure the word gets spread far and wide you did them and will do them again.
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Depends on the person and their comittmet to their cause. The head hanchoes of these terrorist opperations are rarely as commited as their people. We have been lucky so far. Wait till we get one that wont break. Then what?
    Everyone breaks. The orcs have no greater intestinal fortitude than anyone else, and they don't generally have important verifiable info anyway. You might be surprised how many of their beliefs people will give up to save their ass.

    At any rate, I'm only ok with it when we know (beyond any doubt) the person is a mass murderer, we have a ticking time bomb and they have the code.

    Besides not all info is immeadiatly verifiable. Then what do you do?
    Seek only information that is critical to save lives and is verifiable, if not immediately.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 08-18-12 at 10:10 PM.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Everyone breaks. The orcs have no greater intestinal fortitude than anyone else, and they don't generally have important verifiable info anyway. You might be surprised how many of their beliefs people will give up to save their ass.

    At any rate, I'm only ok with it when we know (beyond any doubt) the person is a mass murderer, we have a ticking time bomb and they have the code.



    Seek only information that is critical to save lives and is verifiable, if not immediately.
    I guess I come at it from a diffrent perspective. Anyway there are stubborn men out there, Ive met them, and definately wouldnt bet against them, they have a very specific mentality that is awe inspiring. I suppose if you could potentialy stop something you could try, but I wonder nontheless.
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Every super-elite soldier the US has done it to in training has broken.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Every super-elite soldier the US has done it to in training has broken.
    If you're talking about US soilders in SERE, well, they only got a taste. If you're talking about those we've tortured for real, largely all we know that we got from them was misinformation, or nonsense information (think Brooklin Bridge with a blow torch), or information we largely already had. Not to mention, we may have gotten it faster and more accurately with other methods.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    If you're talking about US soilders in SERE, well, they only got a taste.
    And they've all broke.

    If you're talking about those we've tortured for real, largely all we know that we got from them was misinformation, or nonsense information (think Brooklin Bridge with a blow torch), or information we largely already had. Not to mention, we may have gotten it faster and more accurately with other methods.
    It works for verifiable information and should be employed in a ticking time bomb scenario against a known mass murderer with the code.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Bull ****....you are completely talking out of your ass here.....Even the biggest Bush fans have never even claimed this......there is ZERO evidence that we have gained ANY intelligence from the use of torture methods.

    There are documented cases where waterboarding was used and valuable intelligence was gained that saved American Lives...The one terrorist Kahliff (not sure of the spelling chirped like a bird when he was water boarded..........
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    And they've all broke.
    With just a taste. And would have told them anything, true or not. Which makes it not very reliable.


    It works for verifiable information and should be employed in a ticking time bomb scenario against a known mass murderer with the code.
    Outside of television, there is really no such thing as a ticking bomb. To believe we'd have the right person, with the right information, with enough time requires a lot of willing suspension of disbelief. Not only that, verification takes time. So, lying will not only buy time, but cause us to waste time.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You are exactly right......The old saying "War is Hell" is applicable.....I am so tired of people whinning on the left that we are so mean. Do whatever it takes, the hell with the bleeding heart Liberals.
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    There are documented cases where waterboarding was used and valuable intelligence was gained that saved American Lives...The one terrorist Kahliff (not sure of the spelling chirped like a bird when he was water boarded..........
    Really? Can you provide the documents? You said "cases" (plural). Please provide the documentation.

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