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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You can point us then to scientific evidence that shows torture is an effective form of interrogation?
    If any credible resources exist, which I doubt due to the nature of torture, and the fact that the primary organization that conducts such interrogations is the CIA.
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    actually, hooking someone up across a 12 volt car battery wouldn't cause them any discomfort at all.

    just sayin...
    True one 12 volt battery cannot electrocute you. But you can heat up a piece of metal and burn somebody with it. Or you could use 4 12 volt batteries which could gain you the needed 48+ volts to penetrate the skin. Or just use more and do the job good.

    Or you could just put the jumper cable on ones tongue and the other up their ass and use one battery to do the job, since then the areas would be wet which is good for conductivity.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
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    It's not supposed to be pleasant. It's meant to wear down a trained combatants ability to resist interrogation. More simply put, it strips them of the mindset that tells us that "everything is going to be ok".
    I love the NSA. It's like having a secret fan-base you will never see, but they're there, watching everything you write and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that I may be some person's only form of unconstitutional entertainment one night.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    If any credible resources exist, which I doubt due to the nature of torture, and the fact that the primary organization that conducts such interrogations is the CIA.


    So all you can point to is dubious anecdotal evidence that torture is effective? As the author noted, "In spite of decades of use, and ample opportunity to gather statistics, there just isn't any scientific evidence beyond a few dubious anecdotes to show that torture works."

    I am glad this president put an end to the US practice of waterboarding.
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So all you can point to is dubious anecdotal evidence that torture is effective? As the author noted, "In spite of decades of use, and ample opportunity to gather statistics, there just isn't any scientific evidence beyond a few dubious anecdotes to show that torture works."
    That's what all evidence for, and against it is. Anecdotal. No organization in their right mind is going to compile statistics based on operations that aren't supposed to exist.
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I am glad this president put an end to the US practice of waterboarding.
    He put an end to us knowing about it.
    I love the NSA. It's like having a secret fan-base you will never see, but they're there, watching everything you write and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that I may be some person's only form of unconstitutional entertainment one night.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You can point us then to scientific evidence that shows torture is an effective form of interrogation?
    Define "effective". It's useful for extracting information, absolutely. You just have to be mindful of the fact that they may be lying and should act accordingly. As such, generally, only information that's verifiable is of much use. For example,

    "Where is the bomb hidden?"

    "ouch. under seat 16F at the stadium."

    Then you go have a guy check under seat 16F at the stadium for the bomb. If he was telling the truth, then you diffused the bomb. If he was lying, not a big deal. You don't just go bomb some random house because a guy being tortured said osama was hiding there. You treat the information as a potential lead and verify it first.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    It's not supposed to be pleasant. It's meant to wear down a trained combatants ability to resist interrogation. More simply put, it strips them of the mindset that tells us that "everything is going to be ok".

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    That's what all evidence for, and against it is. Anecdotal. No organization in their right mind is going to compile statistics based on operations that aren't supposed to exist.
    Dubious anecdotal evidence is all? Looks like the author had it right. Good reason to put an end to the practice.

    Thank you President Obama!
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    Define "effective". It's useful for extracting information, absolutely. You just have to be mindful of the fact that they may be lying and should act accordingly. As such, generally, only information that's verifiable is of much use. For example,

    "Where is the bomb hidden?"

    "ouch. under seat 16F at the stadium."

    Then you go have a guy check under seat 16F at the stadium for the bomb. If he was telling the truth, then you diffused the bomb. If he was lying, not a big deal. You don't just go bomb some random house because a guy being tortured said osama was hiding there. You treat the information as a potential lead and verify it first.
    It's not that simple. Direct questions are generally avoided, because it gives the POW control of the interrogation.
    I love the NSA. It's like having a secret fan-base you will never see, but they're there, watching everything you write and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that I may be some person's only form of unconstitutional entertainment one night.

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