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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I know. That means even more go through.
    or that they don't go thru the same school
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Das Sozialist View Post
    Giving me a number and saying what information they were trying to force out of you is classified?

    Also, I just reread pages 35-42, you did not answer the first question and you barely answered the second, saying you've experience hours of waterboarding. It's not a matter of laziness, it's a matter of not wanting to go through 7 pages to find a half-answer to a question which would take you only seconds to answer.
    does it really matter what the information was? suppose before the event they give you some data, any data, and they are trying to get you to repeat it back. what they are trying to force out of you is irrelevant.
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    or that they don't go thru the same school
    Same place? Not sure. But many go through it. And I think that was the point.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    does it really matter what the information was? suppose before the event they give you some data, any data, and they are trying to get you to repeat it back. what they are trying to force out of you is irrelevant.
    I think it matters to the credibility of your claim. We can't possibily know how truthful you are, or how well your perception matches reality. We can't really know. But these things have a purpose, and I for one can think of no purpose in what you describe. So, I think he's trying to clarify so as to better understand what might have happened.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Same place? Not sure. But many go through it. And I think that was the point.
    and my point is that what the USAF goes through is not the same as what I went through. so it is an invalid comparison
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    and my point is that what the USAF goes through is not the same as what I went through. so it is an invalid comparison
    Not sure on way or the another. The marine page suggest they may have went through less. But, all of the report that it is well supervised and advertise the safety of the program. That alone makes it different than what actual prisoners can expect. I'm sorry, but you're providing anything that disputes the actual evidence we have.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I think it matters to the credibility of your claim. We can't possibily know how truthful you are, or how well your perception matches reality. We can't really know. But these things have a purpose, and I for one can think of no purpose in what you describe. So, I think he's trying to clarify so as to better understand what might have happened.
    certain people with access to certain information that might find themselves held captive are held to a higher standard than others. the purpose is to determine a breaking point to see how much one can take without giving up information. if you care not to believe me, fine. you are entitled to your opinion that waterboarding is torture.
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not sure on way or the another. The marine page suggest they may have went through less. But, all of the report that it is well supervised and advertise the safety of the program. That alone makes it different than what actual prisoners can expect. I'm sorry, but you're providing anything that disputes the actual evidence we have.
    what the prisoners go through is safe. the interrogators don't want to kill the interrogatee. that would be counter-productive
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    certain people with access to certain information that might find themselves held captive are held to a higher standard than others. the purpose is to determine a breaking point to see how much one can take without giving up information. if you care not to believe me, fine. you are entitled to your opinion that waterboarding is torture.
    Actually, no that isn't the purpose. We know everyone will break. The purpose is to give you a taste to help prepare you for you might face. And to let you know you can lie, but will eventually face the consequences of that.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    what the prisoners go through is safe. the interrogators don't want to kill the interrogatee. that would be counter-productive
    Safe? Well, prisners have died. Not sure if from waterboarding, but from our techniques. SO, I would say it is all that safe. And second, not knowing that it is safe is very different from knowing.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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