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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    politically driven testimony. the training is the same. you can't quit, you can't tap out, they keep going until you break or you pass the **** out. there are no significant differences
    That's a cop out. Everytime some one says something someone doesn't like they throw out those excuses. It's simply you making an excuse. They state clearly how it's not the same. I'm sorry, but you have not offered anything we can verify that disputes this.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's a cop out. Everytime some one says something someone doesn't like they throw out those excuses. It's simply you making an excuse. They state clearly how it's not the same. I'm sorry, but you have not offered anything we can verify that disputes this.
    whatever dude. the next thing you will be telling me is that the tazer training I got was "not the same thing" as being tazered.
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    No, they don't know both. They didn't "design" the course, and are no more knowledgeable on it than me. The main testimony of the SERE experts to congress involved their discomfort at haveing been used as advisors to interrogators, correctly stating that their expirience was in familiarizing US servicemen with interrogation techniques, not in training interrogators. The people that gave testimony did not design the course, the were not waterboarded as POWs, they were simply SERE instructors/leadership.

    You're not missing the point, Boo, you simply do not know what the point is.
    Yes, they did and do. They explain how they designed the perameters and how far they can go. And they are more knowledgable that you. So, while you think well of yourself, you ahve nto offered anything we can verifiy.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes, they did and do. They explain how they designed the perameters and how far they can go. .
    and everyone knows that trainers NEVER excede the parameters of the training.
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    and everyone knows that trainers NEVER excede the parameters of the training.
    So, now you try to trow in an absolute no one claimed? That doesn't work either. Strawmen just denote your desperation. The fact remains, our own people will never treat us exactly like they do the enemy, and the program is equiped with safe gaurds and is designed to be no more than a taste. I'm sorry you want to believe it is more than it is. But to show that to be case, going against congressional testimony, you need to actually present something we can examine.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    So, now you try to trow in an absolute no one claimed? That doesn't work either. Strawmen just denote your desperation. The fact remains, our own people will never treat us exactly like they do the enemy, and the program is equiped with safe gaurds and is designed to be no more than a taste. I'm sorry you want to believe it is more than it is. But to show that to be case, going against congressional testimony, you need to actually present something we can examine.
    sorry dude. your original claim was that I had not been through "the real deal". you were, and still are, wrong. you vastly underestimate the stupidity and sadism of some of the members of our military. I once went through a "pepper spray" training where the assholes running the training "exceeded the parameters" and sent 13 of 68 trainees to the ER.
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    sorry dude. your original claim was that I had not been through "the real deal". you were, and still are, wrong. you vastly underestimate the stupidity and sadism of some of the members of our military. I once went through a "pepper spray" training where the assholes running the training "exceeded the parameters" and sent 13 of 68 trainees to the ER.
    Are you saying that some of our military personnel are unprofessional?
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    sorry dude. your original claim was that I had not been through "the real deal". you were, and still are, wrong. you vastly underestimate the stupidity and sadism of some of the members of our military. I once went through a "pepper spray" training where the assholes running the training "exceeded the parameters" and sent 13 of 68 trainees to the ER.
    If you're speaking of SERE, you have not. You have been asked to explain and provide details. You have not responded with any. Your perception of what you faced is not equal to you actually facing it.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    Are you saying that some of our military personnel are unprofessional?
    have you been to any military post and taken a look at some of the trainees lately? by and large, most members of the military are professional, but as with any other segment of the population, there are exceptions.

    they used to do a much better job of weeding them out, but basic military training has become so politically correct these days it is easier for douchebags to slip through.
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    have you been to any military post and taken a look at some of the trainees lately? by and large, most members of the military are professional, but as with any other segment of the population, there are exceptions.

    they used to do a much better job of weeding them out, but basic military training has become so politically correct these days it is easier for douchebags to slip through.
    Yeah, I understand that. Do they have to promote them though?
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