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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    Both the allies and axis powers used it with mixed results. It was done a lot during the Cold War too, with equally mixed results. It's not 100% effective, because each scenario is different, as all people have different weaknesses and tolerances. However, I don't think it should be done away with because it has its place.
    I have mixed feelings on it. On one side, it IS highly unethical and it's reliability is questionable. Also, the reaction from both the public and from the "other side" in regarding torture could create consequences that significantly diminish any possible returns of torture. On the other, both fear and pain can be motivators.

    This issue has been debated at DP for several years. Whether waterboarding is torture or not has never really interested me. It is. Denying that is silly. It's the ethics, effectiveness, and impact of the use of torture that is far more fascinating.
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    Both the allies and axis powers used it with mixed results. It was done a lot during the Cold War too, with equally mixed results. It's not 100% effective, because each scenario is different, as all people have different weaknesses and tolerances. However, I don't think it should be done away with because it has its place.
    As pointed out previously, "In spite of decades of use, and ample opportunity to gather statistics, there just isn't any scientific evidence beyond a few dubious anecdotes to show that torture works."
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I have mixed feelings on it. On one side, it IS highly unethical and it's reliability is questionable. Also, the reaction from both the public and from the "other side" in regarding torture could create consequences that significantly diminish any possible returns of torture. On the other, both fear and pain can be motivators.

    This issue has been debated at DP for several years. Whether waterboarding is torture or not has never really interested me. It is. Denying that is silly. It's the ethics, effectiveness, and impact of the use of torture that is far more fascinating.
    Our current enemies will torture and kill POWs regardless of what we do, but that's not a reason for or against torture. I want in kept in play because it does work when done correctly. Waterboarding is torture simply because it's inflicting suffering on another to coerce information, and I'll never say otherwise. The only thing I question is whether it can be used effectively, or is there a better method. I recall hearing about Germans who used to have POWs stripped of their clothes, and placed into concrete rooms where there was no protection from the German winter. After a couple hours, they would give the POW back their clothes and begin the interrogation again. If it was unsuccessful, they did it again, but for longer and longer periods of time each interval.

    They also used deprivation to a better success. Lock them in a room with no watch, no windows, no way of telling where they are, whether it's day or night, or when you'll ever get out. It disorients the mind without having to exert any real effort, and doesn't create an instant association between interrogator and torture. All it does is disorient, create an illusion, and puts all the power and control in the hands of the interrogator.
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    1. Definition of Torture

    Torture includes such practices as searing with hot irons, burning at the stake, electric shock treatment to the genitals, cutting out parts of the body, e.g. tongue, entrails or genitals, severe beatings, suspending by the legs with arms tied behind back, applying thumbscrews, inserting a needle under the fingernails, drilling through an unanesthetized tooth, making a person crouch for hours in the ‘Z’ position, waterboarding (submersion in water or dousing to produce the sensation of drowning), and denying food, water or sleep for days or weeks on end.[3]

    All of these practices presuppose that the torturer has control over the victim's body, e.g. the victim is strapped to a chair.
    Torture (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    As pointed out previously, "In spite of decades of use, and ample opportunity to gather statistics, there just isn't any scientific evidence beyond a few dubious anecdotes to show that torture works."
    From an article written by an author who self identifies as a "pragmatic humanist", which is presenting points from another article from the San Francisco Chronicle. the link to the San Fran Chronicle does not work, so I cannot make any assessment on the credibility of that article, though I already know it's a biased newspaper, because I lived in the Bay Area for 3 years and read it regularly back in my more liberal days.
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    If it is torture, it's more psychological than physical, and compared to, say, hooking someone up to a car battery with jumper cables, I'll vote no. Everything is relative and there is no question that these techniques yielded some valuable information.
    actually, hooking someone up across a 12 volt car battery wouldn't cause them any discomfort at all.

    just sayin...

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Of course it is. That's never REALLY been the question. The question is should it be used, anyway? THAT'S the REAL question that people want to avoid. The question in the OP is a smokescreen.
    absolutely. i kind of view it as a self-defeating argument, really. if you want to argue that waterboarding isn't torture, then why would it be useful as an interrogation technique? If it's as benign as water running over your face in the shower, then why would it drive reluctant interrogees to surrender information?

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    From an article written by an author who self identifies as a "pragmatic humanist", which is presenting points from another article from the San Francisco Chronicle. the link to the San Fran Chronicle does not work, so I cannot make any assessment on the credibility of that article, though I already know it's a biased newspaper, because I lived in the Bay Area for 3 years and read it regularly back in my more liberal days.

    You can point us then to scientific evidence that shows torture is an effective form of interrogation?
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    absolutely. i kind of view it as a self-defeating argument, really. if you want to argue that waterboarding isn't torture, then why would it be useful as an interrogation technique? If it's as benign as water running over your face in the shower, then why would it drive reluctant interrogees to surrender information?
    Waterboarding is done by placing a towel, or a piece of fabric over a persons face, then pouring a bucket of water over their face to induce a sensation similar to drowning, and it does not feel good.
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    Waterboarding is done by placing a towel, or a piece of fabric over a persons face, then pouring a bucket of water over their face to induce a sensation similar to drowning, and it does not feel good.
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