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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    torture in such an incident saved my life, and the lives of many of my friends. was it "right"? I don't know - we didn't do it, we just took advantage of the intel it produced. But I will say that I am glad my wife is no widow, and that my children have a father.
    Whatever it takes to save american lives....No one else worries about how they torture americans....just ask any vets...from WW2, Korea, Nam and we know how muslims treat our prisoners...lop their heads off on video for us and here we are all whining over a little water in the face that does no harm. Personally I find it pretty amazing....
    CPWILLS LIFE is worth a million of our enemies....

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    I'd say no. Nothing like scaring the hell out of radical terrorists to get vital information.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by lunchbox View Post
    I'd say no. Nothing like scaring the hell out of radical terrorists to get vital information.
    It would be fun to scare the hell out of them just for the hell of it, but I still consider it torture.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    torture in such an incident saved my life, and the lives of many of my friends. was it "right"? I don't know - we didn't do it, we just took advantage of the intel it produced. But I will say that I am glad my wife is no widow, and that my children have a father.
    Too bad all we have is your word. You've been wrong before, and constantly fail to give verifiable evidence. No one wants you or any other American to die. But laws and morals are only something we hold when we adhere to them. When we don't, they both become meaningless.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Well judging by the results of this poll DP members still lean to the far left........To think water boarding is torture when we do it to our own troops is ridiculous. When I was in the Navy in order to go to Vietnam you had to go to survival school and spend time in a POW camp in Warner Springs Ca. One of the things they did to us was put us in these amall boxes and you had no idea how long you would be there.........What happens after time is your legs and feet fall asleep and when they finally let you out (I was in the box for 45 minutes) you can't stand......Now that was torture
    Hello fellow swabbie. Me too. Fish heads and rice. Beautiful hypodermic syringe for a horse. I went in 1962/3, can't remember exact date. Mountain vacation, eh? Did you get the outside fire extenguisher treatment, as well. Maybe they only do it in cold weather.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    We should take all the verses from the Koran that preach intollerance, hatred and killing, print them on toilet paper and distribute it to the base there. I wouldn't consider that torture.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Whatever it takes to save american lives....No one else worries about how they torture americans....just ask any vets...from WW2, Korea, Nam and we know how muslims treat our prisoners...lop their heads off on video for us and here we are all whining over a little water in the face that does no harm. Personally I find it pretty amazing....
    CPWILLS LIFE is worth a million of our enemies....
    thanks for the backing, old soldier.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Too bad all we have is your word.
    that is correct. you are free to call me a liar, and in fact, claim that I am not even a Marine, if you like. It is, after all, a free country. But the IP's did torture that dude, and it did allow us to stop a multiple VBIED attack that would have wiped out the COC where I worked.

    No one wants you or any other American to die. But laws and morals are only something we hold when we adhere to them. When we don't, they both become meaningless.
    as I've pointed out to you, if you wish to argue that it is worth the increased loss of American lives to not engage in enhanced interrogation, that's a defensible position. I won't agree with it, as I think the relative values here are skewed heavily in the other direction (since when did hurting innocents through inaction become morally superior to actively hurting the guilty just because the innocents were American?), but it's not logically inconsistent.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    that is correct. you are free to call me a liar, and in fact, claim that I am not even a Marine, if you like. It is, after all, a free country. But the IP's did torture that dude, and it did allow us to stop a multiple VBIED attack that would have wiped out the COC where I worked.
    I neither call you a liar or accept your word unverified. I would expect nothing different from you if our positions were reversed. If this is really the case, however, there should be verifiable information somewhere to show this in some case not necessarily connected to you.


    as I've pointed out to you, if you wish to argue that it is worth the increased loss of American lives to not engage in enhanced interrogation, that's a defensible position. I won't agree with it, as I think the relative values here are skewed heavily in the other direction (since when did hurting innocents through inaction become morally superior to actively hurting the guilty just because the innocents were American?), but it's not logically inconsistent.
    Point 1) no evidence American lives are saved. Sorry, but that is the case.

    Point 2) Many people have died for their beliefs. It is a sign that you actually hold that belief. And if we can break the law to save lives, where is the line. What line will you not cross if you BELIEVE it MIGHT save lives?

    Once we start down this road, the line moves further and further away from morality, moving us closer to our enemies position. If the ends justify the means, all means are fair game. And no concequence for those who get it wrong, torturing the wrong people, for the worng reasons.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    torture in such an incident saved my life, and the lives of many of my friends. was it "right"? I don't know - we didn't do it, we just took advantage of the intel it produced. But I will say that I am glad my wife is no widow, and that my children have a father.
    I really have no clue what situation you are talking about here. But I will equate it with this: The US by policy does not bargain with kidnappers. The idea is to not endanger future hostages. So to keep with the same ethic the policy used to be the same with torture. The idea is to lesson the possibility of Americans being tortured by foreign powers large or small. It is the standard that America sets that is important no offence but your wife becoming a widow is of no importance in the ethical of the issue of torture. It also makes one wonder how many Americans were tortured as the result of you being saved by us torturing someone? I hope that you are enjoying your life right now and I assume it was worth the reputation and the safety of military personnel since then.

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