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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Are you proposing to have US and International law changes that would approve torture in certain circumstances as a legal means of intelligence gathering?

    And what would be those certain circumstances that you would want torture used by other governments around the world?
    I don't know exactly. There'd have to be a lot of proof that the person actually had information, and that there was an impending disaster highly likely to cause significant loss of human life.

    We don't live in the same type of world as when those rules were first put into play.
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    I don't know exactly. There'd have to be a lot of proof that the person actually had information, and that there was an impending disaster highly likely to cause significant loss of human life.

    We don't live in the same type of world as when those rules were first put into play.
    You would be for other countries legally being allowed to torture our soldiers or citizens under certain circumstances?
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    There are exceptions, I am talking about the huge majority....There are actually libs who are pro life but the huge majority are not........


    What issue do you disagree with him on?
    Do you even realize that you are making a case against the Right?

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You would be for other countries legally being allowed to torture our soldiers or citizens under certain circumstances?
    I don't see that it matters... Do you think Al Qaeda, Taliban, Fedayeen were like "maybe we shouldn't torture them...it just seems wrong"

    I certainly don't think torture is something that should be common practice but I also think it is naive to say we should never use it under any circumstances. This is why countries have "Black Ops" they get to operate in that grey area and do things that might not sit well with Joe the Monday Morning Quarterback.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratrooper View Post
    I don't see that it matters... Do you think Al Qaeda, Taliban, Fedayeen were like "maybe we shouldn't torture them...it just seems wrong"

    I certainly don't think torture is something that should be common practice but I also think it is naive to say we should never use it under any circumstances. This is why countries have "Black Ops" they get to operate in that grey area and do things that might not sit well with Joe the Monday Morning Quarterback.
    So then you have no problem with Iran's Revolutionary Guard or the KGB from the Soviet Union? Who decides that torture is ok in any given situation? This is not some Hollywood movie where its ok to act outside of the law. And the reason is because its against the law. You can try to rationalize torturing people that you somehow think that you know are guilty, which begs the question if you know so much about them why do you need to torture them?

    And BTW the last time I checked Joe the Monday morning quarterback is no different than Joe the military man. The fact is that torture only sounds good to people naive enough to believe that they will not be tortured by the government if torture becomes a popular policy. Take the death penalty for example some innocents have been put to death by mistake. How many people have been waterboarded by mistake? Is there any way of knowing that figure?


    And please do not confuse my hate of torture for me wanting all combatants being treated nicely. But our society has for a long time drawn the line at torture and have equated torture with Imperial Japan Nazi Germany the USSR Cuba Iran and those type of regimes, not the USA. All what torture does is give us a bad name and feeds Anti American behavior. IMHO torture is treasonous activity the should not be tolerated since it puts military personal in more danger if they should become captured. No I do not think that other countries will stop torturing our troops and citizens but by the US condoning torture what rational should we use to prosecute other countries for war crimes? And the enemy will most likely just rationalize that if its ok for the US to torture us...


    And they wont stop at waterboarding.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratrooper View Post
    I don't see that it matters... Do you think Al Qaeda, Taliban, Fedayeen were like "maybe we shouldn't torture them...it just seems wrong"
    You avoided the question, do you think because a small groups of terrorists behave immorally, it should be legal for all?

    I certainly don't think torture is something that should be common practice but I also think it is naive to say we should never use it under any circumstances. This is why countries have "Black Ops" they get to operate in that grey area and do things that might not sit well with Joe the Monday Morning Quarterback.
    So as long as you don't know about it you are find with torture being carried out in your name?
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Look you guys keep asking " so you wouldn't have a problem if they tortured" They do not care one bit whether I like what they are doing or not.

    Ofcourse I wouldn't want to be tortured if I were captured, then again I wouldn't want to be shot at either.

    War is ugly. It seems retarded to me that you can blow a man's head off with a sniper rifle, but slapping him across the face is "over the line".

    If someone kindapped your kid and dropped them off in a hole in the middle of no where and said they had 8 hours to live until something/someone killed them and then you found that person, I think it is simply lying for someone to say they wouldn't be willing to throw a few punches to get this guy to give up the location, that or their family member doesn't mean that much to them.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratrooper View Post
    Look you guys keep asking " so you wouldn't have a problem if they tortured" They do not care one bit whether I like what they are doing or not.

    Ofcourse I wouldn't want to be tortured if I were captured, then again I wouldn't want to be shot at either.

    War is ugly. It seems retarded to me that you can blow a man's head off with a sniper rifle, but slapping him across the face is "over the line".

    If someone kindapped your kid and dropped them off in a hole in the middle of no where and said they had 8 hours to live until something/someone killed them and then you found that person, I think it is simply lying for someone to say they wouldn't be willing to throw a few punches to get this guy to give up the location, that or their family member doesn't mean that much to them.
    Some countries do follow the rules of war. Us having abandoned them without any justifiable reason makes it more likely our people will be tortured in the future. We've changed the rules and no one else we care that our enemy wasn't traditional or rule followers. That's just one more thing to add to the immorality and ineffectiveness of torture.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    What countries that are currently at war or have been in the last decade do you suppose "follow the rules of war"?

    You say weve changed. I say we have not, there have just been more leaks. Almost(if not every) nations covert ops units do these kind of things, or at least are willing to.
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratrooper View Post
    What countries that are currently at war or have been in the last decade do you suppose "follow the rules of war"?
    Future wars. Nothing in my statement was about current wars. And history is longer than a decade.

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