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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Like I told Boo, check it out you might be surprised.......
    I did, and if you had you might be surprised. I see morethan one far right winger who voted that waterboarding is torture.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    NP uses the word "left" like it's an insult to not be a homophobic backwoods racist who runs to a forum and posts every Rush Limbaugh talking point one hears. ****, if thinking waterboarding is "torture" means you're part of the left, I'll welcome any Conservative who doesn't support it with open arms.
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I did, and if you had you might be surprised. I see morethan one far right winger who voted that waterboarding is torture.



    You would think wrong then.
    There are exceptions, I am talking about the huge majority....There are actually libs who are pro life but the huge majority are not........


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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    NP uses the word "left" like it's an insult to not be a homophobic backwoods racist who runs to a forum and posts every Rush Limbaugh talking point one hears. ****, if thinking waterboarding is "torture" means you're part of the left, I'll welcome any Conservative who doesn't support it with open arms.
    Just check the people who voted......
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Look at how the vote went left vs right and with few exceptions you will find that the left thinks it torture and the right does not.
    Like I said, who knew only the left had a moral compass. If you're correct (and I don't think you are), the right has no core values. No moral compass. Is that what you want to say?

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Just check the people who voted......
    You mean like, for example, that far left winger MSgt?
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    We agree then, it is ineffective.
    you appear to be having problems with grammar lately.

    This is where you try to play word games, hoping to hide the immorality of actually torturing people
    not at all. regardless of what you believe about the morality of enhanced interrogation, the reality is that it produced a huge portion of our information on Al-Qaeda operations; allowing us to forestall major attacks before they occurred and engage in successful targeting of at-large Al-Qaeda trunk leadership.

    I suggest any person who can pretend this wasn't torture lacks a moral core.
    I would suggest that using ad hominems is a poor debate strategy.

    Apparently not as difficult as you think, as people have given misinformaiton often.
    yes, the enemy will lie to you under interrogation. for a trained individual, the way to defeat that is to remove or severely mitigate their ability to do so effectively.

    This is also where you try to misrepresnt what was said. Many find doing this dishonest. I said, and I've been specific, we used al Libi's information that we got under torture as part of our reasoning for going to war. "Curveball wasn't really interrogated. And the german's told us he was unreliable. But, when you want to go war, we're willing to use both. Same as using the heros in error of Chalibi's. But the FACT remains, we tortured, got wrong information, and used it.
    Curveball was absolutely interrogated. Repeatedly and consistently over the course of at least two years. However, because he was in full control of his mental faculties at the time, he was able to sell a consistent falsehood, which was bought by both German and American analysts. It's worth noting that the Americans never interrogated Curveball - we took what the Germans told us about him at face value. Within the intelligence community this incident has become a major enabler for what is increasingly called "target-centric analysis", wherein the usual intelligence cycle is foregone for a more collaborative effort built on consistent input from all players.

    I love how you try to be dismissive without actually providing anything of substance.
    you are right. that was dismissive. It was dismissive because it exposed unknowing ignorance of the interrogation process. It's like you have this mental image of the interrogator screaming a question again and again, and then when the guy fesses up and gives an answer, that's it.

    You ask the same question dozens of times, in dozens of different ways. You background check background check background check, and you wait for a while and then you ask another series of questions that would have to have particular answers in order for the first answers to be true, and you make the story as complex and as easily falsifiable as possible in a dozen different ways, at a dozen different times.

    It is exceedingly difficult if not virtually impossible to lie effectively to a well-trained interrogator over a long period of time when you aren't in comfort and don't have full and complete control over your mental faculties.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    BY all means CP, present this information gathered.

    And no, he was not interrogated. He volunteered information as was question. The Germans were clear that he was unrealiable. We wanted to believe, so we ran with it.

    And know, I understand the interrogation process as well or better than you. I say better because I step outside personal experience and review the literature as well. A person can be too close to something to see it clearly. I often think that is part of your problem. Your blind faith in ideology the other.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    We have probably had a poll on this subject before but we have a lot of new member so what do you think?
    I think it is obviously, undebatably torture. I think the question should be whether certain forms of torture are acceptable to get important information. I think in certain circumstances, that answer is absolutely yes.
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    I think it is obviously, undebatably torture. I think the question should be whether certain forms of torture are acceptable to get important information. I think in certain circumstances, that answer is absolutely yes.
    Are you proposing to have US and International law changes that would approve torture in certain circumstances as a legal means of intelligence gathering?

    And what would be those certain circumstances that you would want torture used by other governments around the world?
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