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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    Getting bad information is better than getting no information at all.
    No it isn't. You make wrong decisions when based on wrong information (see al Libi).

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    For the record I don't condone torture, but I am not so naive as to think there is not a situation where it might be useful.
    People's definition of torture has expanded to cover pretty much anything othe than asking them a question nicely.
    We do things to our own soldiers that are illegal to do to terrorist, I find that mind boggling.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratrooper View Post
    For the record I don't condone torture, but I am not so naive as to think there is not a situation where it might be useful.
    People's definition of torture has expanded to cover pretty much anything othe than asking them a question nicely.
    We do things to our own soldiers that are illegal to do to terrorist, I find that mind boggling.
    That's not really true. Today we've waterdown the defintion. Waterboarding in the past was always considered torture.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Do I think it is torture? yes. It's simple enough that any time someone is in any way put through extremely painful physical or mental situations, it is torture. I would think a better poll would be to ask whether or not "torture" in whatever form is worth using IF results can be achieved by obtaining information.

    We know that there have been people who are willing to die in the most excruciating ways rather than give up information. We also know that people will lie and say anything, including false self incrimination to stop the torture. We ALSO know that water boarding has on occasions been successful in providing accurate information which has aided us and has saved many lives.

    I personally feel that any and all actions can be used to stop something that will have catastrophic consequences. That torture has been overly and wrongfully used in the past by some, not every time... should not be a determining factor that it never be used.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by 00timh View Post
    Do I think it is torture? yes. It's simple enough that any time someone is in any way put through extremely painful physical or mental situations, it is torture. I would think a better poll would be to ask whether or not "torture" in whatever form is worth using IF results can be achieved by obtaining information.

    We know that there have been people who are willing to die in the most excruciating ways rather than give up information. We also know that people will lie and say anything, including false self incrimination to stop the torture. We ALSO know that water boarding has on occasions been successful in providing accurate information which has aided us and has saved many lives.

    I personally feel that any and all actions can be used to stop something that will have catastrophic consequences. That torture has been overly and wrongfully used in the past by some, not every time... should not be a determining factor that it never be used.
    Can you link verifiable evidence of it being successful. Other than with confessions, because even the innocnet wil confess.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    We don't do it to our own. We give a taste. The very people responsible for the program told congress exactly that. We do not do it to our own.
    no, one guy told Congress it was different because our own "know it will stop". so, apparently, do jihadists, who count the seconds on their fingers until we have to quit.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Can you link verifiable evidence of it being successful.
    CIA Director Leon Panetta confirms that waterboarding led to Osama Bin Laden

    Former head of CIA National Clandestine Service: Waterboarding Worked to Stop Attacks Before They Happened


    etc. so on and so forth. Torture can absolutely be effective. I have watched it be effective. Information derived from torture probably saved my life. Waterboarding, too, is also incredibly effective, as has been attested to by CIA directors from both sides of the aisle.

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