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Do you think water boarding is torture?[W:453]

Do you think water boarding is torture?

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Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

Boo Radley said:
If you're speaking of SERE, you have not. You have been asked to explain and provide details. You have not responded with any. Your perception of what you faced is not equal to you actually facing it.
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I was strapped to an inclined table with a cloth over my face and had water poured over it over a period of several hours. I lost count of the number of times that I lost consciousness but it was more than a few. is that enough details for you?
 
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Thorgasm said:
Yeah, I understand that. Do they have to promote them though?
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**** up, move up. I have personally seen incompetant asswipes get promoted so that their current command could get rid of them.
 
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OscarB63 said:
I was strapped to an inclined table with a cloth over my face and had water poured over it over a period of several hours. I lost count of the number of times that I lost consciousness but it was more than a few. is that enough details for you?
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Would you say you're the rule for all of the service and not the exception? If so, do you have anything that will collaborate that claim?
 
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OscarB63 said:
I was strapped to an inclined table with a cloth over my face and had water poured over it over a period of several hours. I lost count of the number of times that I lost consciousness but it was more than a few. is that enough details for you?
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Several hours? Do they do this to everyone for that long? It seems like that would take a long time or you would have some unqualified people around doing the waterboarding and not enough medical personnel.
 
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Boo Radley said:
Would you say you're the rule for all of the service and not the exception? If so, do you have anything that will collaborate that claim?
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irrelevant to your claim that I had not been through the real deal. It left no lasting physical effects, I was not "traumatized" for life. despite all the handwringing and bedwetting over it, waterboarding is not torture. you want to know about torture, talk to some of the vietnam POWs.
 
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Thorgasm said:
Several hours? Do they do this to everyone for that long? It seems like that would take a long time or you would have some unqualified people around doing the waterboarding and not enough medical personnel.
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not everyone gets every training the military has to offer. there are certain trainings that only a select few are required to take. it's not like BMT or AIT where there are hundreds and thousands of trainees
 
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OscarB63 said:
not everyone gets every training the military has to offer. there are certain trainings that only a select few are required to take. it's not like BMT or AIT where there are hundreds and thousands of trainees
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A good number go through SERE training though.
 
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OscarB63 said:
irrelevant to your claim that I had not been through the real deal. It left no lasting physical effects, I was not "traumatized" for life. despite all the handwringing and bedwetting over it, waterboarding is not torture. you want to know about torture, talk to some of the vietnam POWs.
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Let's be clear here, you only have made a claim, one that we can't verify here. My claim is in relation to SERE and what is done. IF you were an acception, that would not make my claim invalid. The point refers to SERE in general.

And yes, VN POWs faced much, much more than anyone in SERE training ever did. But that too means very little to this discussion.
 
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Thorgasm said:
A good number go through SERE training though.
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there are different kinds and levels of SERE training
 
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OscarB63 said:
USAF =/= Army or Marines
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According to Staff Sgt. Clinton J. Thomas, chief instructor at JWTC, the purpose of the course is to teach Marines the skills they need should they become separated from their units in a combat zone and must survive off the land while evading the enemy.

"We focus more on the survival and evasion portions of the course more so than we do with resistance and escape," the Grand Rapids, Mich. native said. "We teach them enough to survive on their own in the Okinawan jungle. If you can do that, you can survive just about anywhere."

Marine Corps SERE Training

Myth #1: Instructors are allowed to break one bone in your body during the POW portion of SERE. This is incorrect. While in the detention facility, students are placed under some level of physical duress but this is closely monitored and supervised to ensure that it does not get out of control. SERE is a very professionally run school and has to be for just this reason.

Read more: Three SERE School Myths | SOFREP
 
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OscarB63 said:
irrelevant to your claim that I had not been through the real deal. It left no lasting physical effects, I was not "traumatized" for life. despite all the handwringing and bedwetting over it, waterboarding is not torture. you want to know about torture, talk to some of the vietnam POWs.
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It may have been the real deal, but if it was during training, it was training. They're not trying to get you to tell all your little secrets and they're not trying to kill you, so you wouldn'texperience the trauma someone who was being waterboarded as interrogation would feel. The physical pain, definitely, but the mental effects? No, I don't believe you would.
 
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Das Sozialist said:
It may have been the real deal, but if it was during training, it was training. They're not trying to get you to tell all your little secrets and they're not trying to kill you, so you wouldn't[/I ]experience the trauma someone who was being waterboarded as interrogation would feel. The physical pain, definitely, but the mental effects? No, I don't believe you would.
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you can't simply dismiss something because it was "training". I went through tazer "training" and got tazed. i went through weapons "training" and fired a real weapon. etc. etc. etc.

no terrorist who was ever waterboarded was trying to be killed, that would be counter productive. the goal of waterboarding is to get them to talk. dead men can't talk
 
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OscarB63 said:
you can't simply dismiss something because it was "training". I went through tazer "training" and got tazed. i went through weapons "training" and fired a real weapon. etc. etc. etc.

no terrorist who was ever waterboarded was trying to be killed, that would be counter productive. the goal of waterboarding is to get them to talk. dead men can't talk
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Alright, then what were they trying to force out of you? And how many times were you waterboarded?
 
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Das Sozialist said:
Alright, then what were they trying to force out of you? And how many times were you waterboarded?
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read my previous posts.
 
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Das Sozialist said:
I guess it was much easier for you to type that than to type simple answers to the two questions.
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how about I just don't want to repeat things for people to lazy to go back and read a page of posts? anyway, most of the details are classified anyway.
 
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OscarB63 said:
how about I just don't want to repeat things for people to lazy to go back and read a page of posts? anyway, most of the details are classified anyway.
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Giving me a number and saying what information they were trying to force out of you is classified?

Also, I just reread pages 35-42, you did not answer the first question and you barely answered the second, saying you've experience hours of waterboarding. It's not a matter of laziness, it's a matter of not wanting to go through 7 pages to find a half-answer to a question which would take you only seconds to answer.
 
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Das Sozialist said:
Giving me a number and saying what information they were trying to force out of you is classified?

Also, I just reread pages 35-42, you did not answer the first question and you barely answered the second, saying you've experience hours of waterboarding. It's not a matter of laziness, it's a matter of not wanting to go through 7 pages to find a half-answer to a question which would take you only seconds to answer.
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does it really matter what the information was? suppose before the event they give you some data, any data, and they are trying to get you to repeat it back. what they are trying to force out of you is irrelevant.
 
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OscarB63 said:
or that they don't go thru the same school
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Same place? Not sure. But many go through it. And I think that was the point.
 
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OscarB63 said:
does it really matter what the information was? suppose before the event they give you some data, any data, and they are trying to get you to repeat it back. what they are trying to force out of you is irrelevant.
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I think it matters to the credibility of your claim. We can't possibily know how truthful you are, or how well your perception matches reality. We can't really know. But these things have a purpose, and I for one can think of no purpose in what you describe. So, I think he's trying to clarify so as to better understand what might have happened.
 
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Boo Radley said:
Same place? Not sure. But many go through it. And I think that was the point.
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and my point is that what the USAF goes through is not the same as what I went through. so it is an invalid comparison
 
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