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Do you think water boarding is torture?[W:453]

Do you think water boarding is torture?

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Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

Boo Radley said:
BY all means, show when you've been held captive by an enemy and waterborded. Show that, and I'll admit my mistake. Absent that, I would be correct.
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as i said, you have no idea what has or has not happened to me and I have no inclination to rehash certain things with anyone.
 
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OscarB63 said:
as i said, you have no idea what has or has not happened to me and I have no inclination to rehash certain things with anyone.
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True, which is why I repeat: BY all means, show when you've been held captive by an enemy and waterborded. Show that, and I'll admit my mistake. Absent that, I would be correct.

I certainly mean no disrespect, but in a discussion of this nature, where we really don't knwo each other and can't verifiy anything said, this is the only way it can be.
 
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FreedomFromAll said:
True but then the same could be said about your claim.
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wrongo boyo. I have been waterboarded...have you? and not during some mamby pamby politically correct BS experiment designed to prove a point. contrary to boo's claims I have been thru the "real deal". no "safe words", no panic button, no tapping out. it was continued until you either talked or lost consciousness. and then they woke you up and continued. done by some of the same guys who "tortured" those poor innocent terrorists at GITMO.
 
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OscarB63 said:
wrongo boyo. I have been waterboarded...have you? and not during some mamby pamby politically correct BS experiment designed to prove a point. contrary to boo's claims I have been thru the "real deal". no "safe words", no panic button, no tapping out. it was continued until you either talked or lost consciousness. and then they woke you up and continued. done by some of the same guys who "tortured" those poor innocent terrorists at GITMO.
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Details and support. It's not unreasonable to ask for that.
 
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OscarB63 said:
wrongo boyo. I have been waterboarded...have you? and not during some mamby pamby politically correct BS experiment designed to prove a point. contrary to boo's claims I have been thru the "real deal". no "safe words", no panic button, no tapping out. it was continued until you either talked or lost consciousness. and then they woke you up and continued. done by some of the same guys who "tortured" those poor innocent terrorists at GITMO.
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You were interrogated? Do you mind elaborating?
 
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Das Sozialist said:
You were interrogated? Care to elaborate?
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I dont know about anyone else but waterboarding is from time to time used during SERE training... it is not physically harmful, it is merely unpleasant... I would continue but I am not sure how much of it I am allowed to talk about
 
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I REALLY dont feel like being interviewed by AFOSI, but suffice it to say that the only rules we really had for field interrogations was that we were not allowed to leave any permanent marks... and I only did continuation training at the squadron / wing level.
 
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Schutzengel said:
I REALLY dont feel like being interviewed by AFOSI, but suffice it to say that the only rules we really had for field interrogations was that we were not allowed to leave any permanent marks... and I only did continuation training at the squadron / wing level.
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Ah. I guess it was/is an Air Force thing, then. Sounds terrible.
 
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Das Sozialist said:
Ah. I guess it was/is an Air Force thing, then. Sounds terrible.
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No comment... compared the the rest of SERE school... literally being driven to the edge of death... seeing how close you could come to death without actually going over the edge...

there are several tools used in the USAF SERE school... this is just one, and it is effective, it is a matter of the targets perception. I will leave it at that, there is never a threat of lasting physical harm to the target.
 
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unfortunately Nothing about the survival school can be talked about in anything other than the boadest most sweeping terms... everyone who has attended this class known as SV-80A is under military order not to disclose any of the specific contents of training... so I will have to leave any further discussion about it there http://www.specialtactics.com/SV80Handout.pdf see page 16 for everything you need to know.
 
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Schutzengel said:
I dont know about anyone else but waterboarding is from time to time used during SERE training... it is not physically harmful, it is merely unpleasant... I would continue but I am not sure how much of it I am allowed to talk about
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Congressional testimony that it isn't same is linked earlier in the thread. So, it was talked about.
 
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Boo Radley said:
You know hundreds who only know one. They don't know the other, thus can't compare. Sorry, but you're missing the point.



They did head the program yes, and yes they KNOW both.

If anyone has cognitive dissonance here it is you. You're dancing all around the point. And have offered nothing to support your claim.
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No, they don't know both. They didn't "design" the course, and are no more knowledgeable on it than me. The main testimony of the SERE experts to congress involved their discomfort at haveing been used as advisors to interrogators, correctly stating that their expirience was in familiarizing US servicemen with interrogation techniques, not in training interrogators. The people that gave testimony did not design the course, the were not waterboarded as POWs, they were simply SERE instructors/leadership.

You're not missing the point, Boo, you simply do not know what the point is.
 
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Schutzengel said:
I dont know about anyone else but waterboarding is from time to time used during SERE training... it is not physically harmful, it is merely unpleasant... I would continue but I am not sure how much of it I am allowed to talk about
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exactly. and I refuse to divulge too much personal details because there are douchebags on this forum that would try to use such information against me in the future.
 
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Boo Radley said:
Congressional testimony that it isn't same is linked earlier in the thread. So, it was talked about.
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politically driven testimony. the training is the same. you can't quit, you can't tap out, they keep going until you break or you pass the **** out. there are no significant differences
 
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OscarB63 said:
politically driven testimony. the training is the same. you can't quit, you can't tap out, they keep going until you break or you pass the **** out. there are no significant differences
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That's a cop out. Everytime some one says something someone doesn't like they throw out those excuses. It's simply you making an excuse. They state clearly how it's not the same. I'm sorry, but you have not offered anything we can verify that disputes this.
 
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Boo Radley said:
That's a cop out. Everytime some one says something someone doesn't like they throw out those excuses. It's simply you making an excuse. They state clearly how it's not the same. I'm sorry, but you have not offered anything we can verify that disputes this.
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whatever dude. the next thing you will be telling me is that the tazer training I got was "not the same thing" as being tazered. :lamo
 
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mac said:
No, they don't know both. They didn't "design" the course, and are no more knowledgeable on it than me. The main testimony of the SERE experts to congress involved their discomfort at haveing been used as advisors to interrogators, correctly stating that their expirience was in familiarizing US servicemen with interrogation techniques, not in training interrogators. The people that gave testimony did not design the course, the were not waterboarded as POWs, they were simply SERE instructors/leadership.

You're not missing the point, Boo, you simply do not know what the point is.
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Yes, they did and do. They explain how they designed the perameters and how far they can go. And they are more knowledgable that you. So, while you think well of yourself, you ahve nto offered anything we can verifiy.
 
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Boo Radley said:
Yes, they did and do. They explain how they designed the perameters and how far they can go. .
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and everyone knows that trainers NEVER excede the parameters of the training. :lamo
 
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OscarB63 said:
and everyone knows that trainers NEVER excede the parameters of the training. :lamo
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So, now you try to trow in an absolute no one claimed? That doesn't work either. Strawmen just denote your desperation. The fact remains, our own people will never treat us exactly like they do the enemy, and the program is equiped with safe gaurds and is designed to be no more than a taste. I'm sorry you want to believe it is more than it is. But to show that to be case, going against congressional testimony, you need to actually present something we can examine.
 
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Boo Radley said:
So, now you try to trow in an absolute no one claimed? That doesn't work either. Strawmen just denote your desperation. The fact remains, our own people will never treat us exactly like they do the enemy, and the program is equiped with safe gaurds and is designed to be no more than a taste. I'm sorry you want to believe it is more than it is. But to show that to be case, going against congressional testimony, you need to actually present something we can examine.
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sorry dude. your original claim was that I had not been through "the real deal". you were, and still are, wrong. you vastly underestimate the stupidity and sadism of some of the members of our military. I once went through a "pepper spray" training where the assholes running the training "exceeded the parameters" and sent 13 of 68 trainees to the ER.
 
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OscarB63 said:
sorry dude. your original claim was that I had not been through "the real deal". you were, and still are, wrong. you vastly underestimate the stupidity and sadism of some of the members of our military. I once went through a "pepper spray" training where the assholes running the training "exceeded the parameters" and sent 13 of 68 trainees to the ER.
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Are you saying that some of our military personnel are unprofessional?
 
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OscarB63 said:
sorry dude. your original claim was that I had not been through "the real deal". you were, and still are, wrong. you vastly underestimate the stupidity and sadism of some of the members of our military. I once went through a "pepper spray" training where the assholes running the training "exceeded the parameters" and sent 13 of 68 trainees to the ER.
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If you're speaking of SERE, you have not. You have been asked to explain and provide details. You have not responded with any. Your perception of what you faced is not equal to you actually facing it.
 
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Thorgasm said:
Are you saying that some of our military personnel are unprofessional?
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have you been to any military post and taken a look at some of the trainees lately? :lamo by and large, most members of the military are professional, but as with any other segment of the population, there are exceptions.

they used to do a much better job of weeding them out, but basic military training has become so politically correct these days it is easier for douchebags to slip through.
 
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OscarB63 said:
have you been to any military post and taken a look at some of the trainees lately? :lamo by and large, most members of the military are professional, but as with any other segment of the population, there are exceptions.

they used to do a much better job of weeding them out, but basic military training has become so politically correct these days it is easier for douchebags to slip through.
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Yeah, I understand that. Do they have to promote them though?
 
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