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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    And now we're back to this question, what does it's effectiveness have to do with anything? If you oppose waterboarding on moral grounds, presumably it could be the most effective thing in the world and you'd all still oppose it? Right?
    Since it obviously isn't as effective, what is the point in defending it?
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    Since it obviously isn't as effective, what is the point in defending it?
    It can be and has been effective. Even the Obama administration has had to admit that.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Torture for verifiable information works. Torture for confession does not. But people weren't waterboarded for confession (we knew damn well those three were responsible for killing many), they were waterboarded for verfiable information and it worked. It was the three 'highest' people we had and it was presumably a "ticking-timebomb" scenario.
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Which means what? We should embrace this thinking?
    It simply means to put down one side for such a thing, while supporting the other side which does the same thing, is the mt. everest of hypocrisy.
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Versus Romney who said it was too soon to withdraw our troops.
    Obama thought a lot of things before he was elected and started getting daily briefs with above TS information. Everyone running for office does. And then they get in and get informed, and their opinions tend to change.
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I still have a feeling we just turn these people over to other countries to do our torture for us. Maybe I'm just cynical, but I don't think so.
    You bring up a good point, is it more 'moral' for us to use some psychological 'torture' like water boarding, or to turn someone over to a government that is known to use electricity, removal of body parts and many other forms of disfiguring physical tourture?
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    And now we're back to this question, what does it's effectiveness have to do with anything? If you oppose waterboarding on moral grounds, presumably it could be the most effective thing in the world and you'd all still oppose it? Right?
    You dodged the question of where you drew the line.
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    It can be and has been effective. Even the Obama administration has had to admit that.
    Not exactly. It is assumed to work, but that is simply an assumption. As an example, you can drive a stake by holding it one hand while carefully trying to hit it with a spedgehammer. It is difficult and slow and you will damage the sledgehammer handle, but you can drive a stake that way. You can also slip a stake driver over the top of the stake, bounce it up and down a few times and get the job done easily. You can claim the first way is effective since it gets the job done, but it is far from the best way.
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    One thing you need to consider when it comes to "enhanced interrogation techniques" is we are not interrogating little billy that stole a pack of gum. Some of these guys we have been tracking for years and have file cabinets full of information about them. We know who they are, what they have done, and what levels of access they had. What we don't know are specific details.

    Its not like being blindfolded and trying to hit a bullseye with darts. We have accesses to databases and real time information collection to cross reference any information we see and verify its accuracy.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    We are discussing the policies of the "chimp-in-chief" (Bartcop.com) and that should pretty much sum it up. We attacked Iraq! Iraq was not a threat. Let's get this all in perspective. Remember the "terror alerts" and their phony colored lights. A huge campaign to make USAmericans scared of an imaginary enemy. This is the same group that brought you waterboarding. Enough said.
    Are you suggesting that 9/11 is of no importance?

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