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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    So the ends justify the means, then?

    That isn't the issue or problem with torture as a means of extracting information.

    I remember Bill O'reilly going on about 'well if it was YOUR family in danger wouldn't you want to torture the truth out of someone?' - Does make it RIGHT to do so no matter what the outcome is *for you and others*

    Don't overlook the ISSUE in favor of unethical practices.
    I'm sorry, if wetting a towl on a dude's head, or keeping a guy up for awhile or listening to loud music 24/7 means we gain information that prevents another 9/11 or gets us someone like Osama Bin Laden, then yes, to me, those ends justify those means and, actually I'd be tolerant of a whole lot more.
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I'm sorry, if wetting a towl on a dude's head, or keeping a guy up for awhile or listening to loud music 24/7 means we gain information that prevents another 9/11 or gets us someone like Osama Bin Laden, then yes, to me, those ends justify [/b]those[/b] means and, actually I'd be tolerant of a whole lot more.
    Of course you would - no lines. Just erase those suckers right now . . . we have no moral compass, eh. So long as we protect our own. . . anything for the nation, eh? No restraints.
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    He 'ended it' because it was time.
    Versus Romney who said it was too soon to withdraw our troops.
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Of course you would - no lines. Just erase those suckers right now . . . we have no moral compass, eh. So long as we protect our own. . . anything for the nation, eh? No restraints.
    If waterboarding is worst of what we did then I'd say we did show restraint.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    If waterboarding is worst of what we did then I'd say we did show restraint.
    Thankfully, the majority of the country disagrees with you.
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Thankfully, the majority of the country disagrees with you.
    The majority of the country disagrees that we showed restraint?

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I'm sorry, if wetting a towl on a dude's head, or keeping a guy up for awhile or listening to loud music 24/7 means we gain information that prevents another 9/11 or gets us someone like Osama Bin Laden, then yes, to me, those ends justify those means and, actually I'd be tolerant of a whole lot more.
    So you would trade morality for security?
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    If waterboarding is worst of what we did then I'd say we did show restraint.
    Indeed: it was only used a few number of times (that we know of, anyway) - did it save the world? Why are some so hellbent on making it allowable? We don't do it now - are we suffering for that lack? Just what tragic events have happened - what lives have been lost - because we stopped? We use many - MANY - other forms of interrogation and none of them are contested or raise near as much concern. Are those not satisfactory and useful in lieu of?

    Obviously it's a non-necessity seeing as how we've done without extensive use of it.

    Obviously arguments supporting it are thinner than skin - and useless.
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    If waterboarding is worst of what we did then I'd say we did show restraint.
    It wasn't the worst, but even if it was it would make no difference. Breaking the law, ingoring our values, being immoral, even just is the same on any scale.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So you would trade morality for security?
    I'm not sure I believe using a relatively harmless techinique (although I'm sure it doesn't feel harmless) to gain information that could potentially prevent terrorism or that could lead us to someone like Bin Laden is immoral.

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