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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Yes, I think it is. I also think that when someone is tortured, the information they offer to stop the pain can hardly be regarded as reliable.
    Sadly, this is not necessarily accurate. Torture continues to be used because it can be effective.


    Whether or not one wishes to broaden ones' definition of torture to include enhanced interrogation, the fact remains that that program was incredibly effective, and saved countless American lives, as has been attested to by the heads of the CIA in both Democrat and Republican administrations.
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Sadly, this is not necessarily accurate. Torture continues to be used because it can be effective.


    Whether or not one wishes to broaden ones' definition of torture to include enhanced interrogation, the fact remains that that program was incredibly effective, and saved countless American lives, as has been attested to by the heads of the CIA in both Democrat and Republican administrations.
    So the ends justify the means, then?

    That isn't the issue or problem with torture as a means of extracting information.

    I remember Bill O'reilly going on about 'well if it was YOUR family in danger wouldn't you want to torture the truth out of someone?' - Does make it RIGHT to do so no matter what the outcome is *for you and others*

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Sadly, this is not necessarily accurate. Torture continues to be used because it can be effective.
    Is torture legal?



    Whether or not one wishes to broaden ones' definition of torture to include enhanced interrogation, the fact remains that that program was incredibly effective, and saved countless American lives, as has been attested to by the heads of the CIA in both Democrat and Republican administrations.
    Really?
    'Enhanced Interrogation Techniques' Ineffective, Senate Investigation Finds: Reuters - International Business Times
    Waterboarding is Torture—and Ineffective, Military Witnesses Tell House Panel - News - ABA Journal


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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Sadly, this is not necessarily accurate. Torture continues to be used because it can be effective.


    Whether or not one wishes to broaden ones' definition of torture to include enhanced interrogation, the fact remains that that program was incredibly effective, and saved countless American lives, as has been attested to by the heads of the CIA in both Democrat and Republican administrations.
    You mean like when al Libi gave us that intel that we used to justify invading Iraq? That false information.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    So why do we venture out? Could it be that global resources and trades demand more? Could it be that trades betwen Europe and America were so wrecked that physically geting nvolved simply had to happen? Could it be that oil matters around the globe? Could it be that people need to drink water? Could it be that pirates seek to disrupt our manufacturing flow?

    You seem to always hint on what you know to be true, but you are so hell bent on beliveing in the Leftist fantasy that you prefer ignorance. Admitting it would be too hard a blow to what you have convinced yourself to believe in for so long.



    Yet in the end, you really don't matter do you? The world marches on and Obama does as Bush did. Obama spent more than Bush in just 4 years. Obama upped the ante in Afghanistan. Obama upped the ante in Pakistan. Obama upped the ante with Iran. But what's the point? You are still in the fantasy aren't you? By the way, I am not in the 1%, yet I have two houses, two cars, a motorcycle, and little debt. Perhaps the 99% should spend less time whining about what's not really a problem for them.


    Venture out? Is that how you see our decade long wars on the Vietnamese and the Iraqis that were of absolutely no threat to us whatsoever? Just a lark eh?

    Obama ended Bushes war in Iraq, even though Romney said it was too soon to end our war on Iraq. McCain said he was fine with our troops being there a hundred years. Obama is withdrawing the troops from the war in Afghanistan, even though Romney thinks it is too soon to withdraw our troops. Obama has proposed cutting military spending, while Romney has pledged to increase military spending. Obama prohibited torture vs Romney who has said he will bring it back.

    That's some of the reasons we elected Obama and why we will reelect him this year.
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Obama ended Bushes war in Iraq,
    He 'ended it' because it was time. The Iraqis were trained up to police and defend themselves, they had gained control for the most part.

    I selected 'NO' for the poll because I find water boarding to be less of a mental torture than reading what some people on this forum continue to spew out.
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Those who align themselves with torture, have aligned themselves with every bad government that has ever existed. Torture never justifies the ends period. To say so means things like: Ban all guns since people die from guns. Once you open the door it is a slippery slope that ends in hell.


    Want to catch the bad guy before he does something hobble? Then do the foot work. Torture gives the terrorist ammo on us. IMO those that think that some torture is ok are anti-Americans since they are destroying our good name with ignorant beliefs that defy what this country is about. The bad guy uses things like torture not the good guys. In fact enhanced interrogation water boarding and so on should be treasonous activity. But the Right cant see any of this so the Left gets to rub it in their faces, pathetic. It makes you wonder if the Right is really that stupid or are they that bad?

    You guys should make posters "We support torture!" That should win elections right? Think about that. How can citizens get behind a faction that asserts that the ends justify the means. All your good dictatorships use such reasoning.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    How can citizens get behind a faction that asserts that the ends justify the means. All your good dictatorships use such reasoning.
    And you believe both sides don't use such thinking???
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    And you believe both sides don't use such thinking???
    Which means what? We should embrace this thinking?

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    And you believe both sides don't use such thinking???
    The Constitution is not optional. If there are exceptions to the laws what stops the laws from not existing? Justifying torture is like justifying anarchy.

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