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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Yes.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No one has invaded us through most of our history, even .......

    So why do we venture out? Could it be that global resources and trades demand more? Could it be that trades betwen Europe and America were so wrecked that physically geting nvolved simply had to happen? Could it be that oil matters around the globe? Could it be that people need to drink water? Could it be that pirates seek to disrupt our manufacturing flow?

    You seem to always hint on what you know to be true, but you are so hell bent on beliveing in the Leftist fantasy that you prefer ignorance. Admitting it would be too hard a blow to what you have convinced yourself to believe in for so long.

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    There is no reason to be spending ourselves into bankruptcy just to further the commercial interest of the 1%. So **** a bunch of cowboy diplomacy, and the horse it rode in on!
    Yet in the end, you really don't matter do you? The world marches on and Obama does as Bush did. Obama spent more than Bush in just 4 years. Obama upped the ante in Afghanistan. Obama upped the ante in Pakistan. Obama upped the ante with Iran. But what's the point? You are still in the fantasy aren't you? By the way, I am not in the 1%, yet I have two houses, two cars, a motorcycle, and little debt. Perhaps the 99% should spend less time whining about what's not really a problem for them.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    We did not act well with the Soviets. If we believe in our system, we may well have won without the theatrics. And german declared war on us. Just saying.
    We acted exactly for what the game called for. We were actually very successful unless we want to conveniently apply a sense of "moral high ground" as we look back from the safety and security of 2012. We were better at it because we did not demand brutality or adherence to our system. As long as they kept Soviets out, we acomplished our mission.

    Castro also declared war on us. What's that supposed to mean? We got physically involved with Europe because they proved to be unable to fix their own problems, which was causing us economical issues. Otherwise, instead of bank rolling the Allies since 1939 and conducting trades with Germany, we would have gone to war.

    There's a place to debate morality and higher ground. It's the classroom. We don't need to worry about such things, because since we are of moral fiber in our society, we will always come back to who we are. This is why we can drop nuclear bombs and forbid anyone from ever doing it again. This is why we can send men off to murder on our behalf (legally according to laws) and then watch them come home, raise families, and contribute to our society. This is why we can deal with the dictators and twisted regimes and still offer freedom and liberty to our own people. It doesn;t make us hypocritical. It makes us players in the world we have been given. We were not happier isolated before World War II? The price of securing our shores and our economic growth is constant theological discussions over our sense of morality or "higher ground."
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Ask Eric Muller, once a believe that waterboarding was not torture. And to "silence critics of the practice once a for all" would go through on the practice.
    Well he didnt silence critics... He came out and said it was torture, and now is a critic of the practice...

    Mancow Waterboarded (VIDEO): Conservative Radio Host Say It's Torture


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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    We acted exactly for what the game called for. We were actually very successful unless we want to conveniently apply a sense of "moral high ground" as we look back from the safety and security of 2012. We were better at it because we did not demand brutality or adherence to our system. As long as they kept Soviets out, we acomplished our mission.

    Castro also declared war on us. What's that supposed to mean? We got physically involved with Europe because they proved to be unable to fix their own problems, which was causing us economical issues. Otherwise, instead of bank rolling the Allies since 1939 and conducting trades with Germany, we would have gone to war.

    There's a place to debate morality and higher ground. It's the classroom. We don't need to worry about such things, because since we are of moral fiber in our society, we will always come back to who we are. This is why we can drop nuclear bombs and forbid anyone from ever doing it again. This is why we can send men off to murder on our behalf (legally according to laws) and then watch them come home, raise families, and contribute to our society. This is why we can deal with the dictators and twisted regimes and still offer freedom and liberty to our own people. It doesn;t make us hypocritical. It makes us players in the world we have been given. We were not happier isolated before World War II? The price of securing our shores and our economic growth is constant theological discussions over our sense of morality or "higher ground."
    Were we? The red scare didn't have the look of success to me.

    And no, if morality doesn't exist outside the classroom, than it has no meaning. History is full of people who did the moral thing. True, it hasn't always been us. True, we've been rather immoral a good number of times. But there is nothing that says we HAD to be. People like to talk about core values, but if you don't hold that value when times are tough, you don't hold that value. We can play without being immoral. We can be tough without being immoral. It is a false choice that we have to either hide or be immoral.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    BY the way, is that video you recently watched a "Romance" or "pornographic depravity?"
    Knowing aunt spiker, it was probably porn.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Ask Eric Muller, once a believe that waterboarding was not torture. And to "silence critics of the practice once a for all" would go through on the practice.
    Well he didnt silence critics... He came out and said it was torture, and now is a critic of the practice...

    Mancow Waterboarded (VIDEO): Conservative Radio Host Say It's Torture
    same can be said of hitchens. He would have loved to have been able to declare waterboarding as not torture. but it is and hitchens was far too honest to say otherwise.

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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    Knowing aunt spiker, it was probably porn.
    Someone knows me well. What kind of porn? I'm now intrigued here . . .
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    It could be construed as such, by a strict definition.

    But "torture" can range from psychological tricks to things like pulling out fingernails and slow-roasting human beings over hot coals, or breaking them on the wheel as in the middle ages. As tortures go, water boarding is pretty mild. We do it to our own soldiers in SERE school.... they hate it but it does no lasting harm.
    precisely. if we can do it to our own, then we can certainly do it to mass-murdering terrorists in order to save innocent lives.

    In short, necessity and desperation are the bitch twin sisters of moral compromise.... and until your ass has been in a really tight spot, you don't know how far those two bitches may push you.
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    Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    precisely. if we can do it to our own, then we can certainly do it to mass-murdering terrorists in order to save innocent lives.



    truth.
    We don't do it to our own. We give a taste. The very people responsible for the program told congress exactly that. We do not do it to our own.

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