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    2 10.53%
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    Re: is cbo a reliable source.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    If something has a cost of 1 dollar, and a savings of a buck and a quarter, it saves money, but costs a dollar. See the problem. A bunch of savings and revenue increasers where included in ACA to offset to total cost and make it save money(over 10 years). SO when you say they projected it saving money it was figuring both halves into the equation. When you say costing over a trillion, you are figuring just one side of the equation in.
    just to add to the above example, the cbo is rather clear that all the cost saving measures in the ACA are not likely to be implemented, and their estimate assumes it's full implementation

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    Re: is cbo a reliable source.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    they're actually pretty open about the limitations on their estimates, being that they are based on the full implementation of the legislation, and that rarely happens.
    They should just always preface it with, "In this fantasy, bull**** scenario...."
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    Re: is cbo a reliable source.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    they're actually pretty open about the limitations on their estimates, being that they are based on the full implementation of the legislation, and that rarely happens.
    What entity, according to both parties, is more authoritative on legislative analysis?
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    Re: is cbo a reliable source.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    What entity, according to both parties, is more authoritative on legislative analysis?

    really don't understand the point of your question. Regardless if the CBO was the only entity in existence, that offered such estimates, their estimates would still have these exact same limitations that the CBO readily admits to.
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    Re: is cbo a reliable source.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    really don't understand the point of your question. Regardless if the CBO was the only entity in existence, that offered such estimates, their estimates would still have these exact same limitations that the CBO readily admits to.
    The point is the CBO is the most authoritative bipartisan entity we have, according to both parties, to conduct legislative analysis.
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    Re: is cbo a reliable source.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The point is the CBO is the most authoritative bipartisan entity we have, according to both parties, to conduct legislative analysis.
    And there are very real limitations with their estimates, which I pointed out, and you seemingly have taken issue with.


    Do facts generally bother you so?

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    Re: is cbo a reliable source.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    And there are very real limitations with their estimates, which I pointed out, and you seemingly have taken issue with.


    Do facts generally bother you so?

    The facts are not mutually exclusive. Yes, they have limitations, and they are the most authoritative body of legislative analysis.
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    Re: is cbo a reliable source.

    so you don't actually disagree with what I wrote, and this has all been for what?

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    Re: is cbo a reliable source.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    so you don't actually disagree with what I wrote, and this has all been for what?
    For the third time, to show there is no entity more authoritative than the CBO on legislative analysis.
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    Re: is cbo a reliable source.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    For the third time, to show there is no entity more authoritative than the CBO on legislative analysis.
    and as pointed out previously, such doesn't reconcile the issues with their estimates.... So why you would respond to me pointing out these issues, with the opinion that they're the most authoritive, when such doesn't address these issues, doesn't make much sense. Because such is completely * irrelevant* to my earlier point

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