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Why would you own an assault rifle?

Would you own an assault Rifle? Why?

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Goshin said:
Would you be satisfied with the FBI Uniform Crime Report?

FBI — Expanded Homicide Data Table 3

For homicides, race of the offender was as follows:

White 32%, Black 38%, Other 1.7%, Unknown 28%.

Blacks are 12% of the population and commit 38% of the murders. Whites are 72% and commit 32%.

I don't bring this up much because it comes across sounding racist to some people, but it is just the flat out truth: there's more than six times as much homicide committed by blacks, per capita for their ethnic demographic, when compared to whites, in America.

Now, the reasons don't necessarily have anything to do with skin color... inner city poverty, gangs and drug dealing being the primary driving causes, exacerbated by a subculture that doesn't place enough value on education and conventional means of success... but there's no arguing that the vastly higher rate for that ethnic group is a fact....
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this leads us to two possible conclusions:

1. poverty, drugs, and the legacy of centuries of slavery, segregation, and discrimination...has created an African-American sub-culture that is more prone to violence.

2. (may God fogive me) three centuries of slavery in North American has unfortunately bred us a race of criminals.

I pray, I truly pray, its the former.

:(
 
Thunder said:
um.....what if they CAN'T BUY ONE????????????
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why do you spew such stupidity on this topic?
seriously.

are you clueless about the war on drugs?


ENgland banned handguns and the place is awash in illegal handguns

Have you any clue about Mexican gun laws?
 
TurtleDude said:
why do you spew such stupidity on this topic?...
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laws that ban the manufacture & sale of handgun magazines above 10 rounds & rifle magazines above 20 rounds, don't depend upon criminals respecting the law.

This is a silly strawman that you constantly repeat.
 
Goshin said:
Would you be satisfied with the FBI Uniform Crime Report?

FBI — Expanded Homicide Data Table 3

For homicides, race of the offender was as follows:

White 32%, Black 38%, Other 1.7%, Unknown 28%.
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OK for ****s and giggles, lets subtract the 38% of the black population from the US intentional firearms deaths.

If we subtract 38% from the 32.5 intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 1 million people in the US, that leaves 20.15 intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 1 million people in the US. Comparing that to all the other wealthy nations and that still leaves the US at the top which mean that turtledudes statement:

Turtledude - if you factor out inner city black drug crime driven homicides, America is really pretty safe.
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and your attempt to defend it have failed.




Molon Labe!
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We have done it before, and we can do it again! :mrgreen:
 
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Thunder said:
laws that ban the manufacture & sale of handgun magazines above 10 rounds & rifle magazines above 20 rounds, don't depend upon criminals respecting the law.

This is a silly strawman that you constantly repeat.
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its really stupid to think banning such things will provent criminals from obtaining them

all that does is hassle honest people. and since there are more than a hundred million of those things around and given our police buy millions each year (and lose a bunch of them each year) the supply is pretty extensive

if your yapping made sense, banning narcotics would have prevented addicts from abusing drugs

tell me how that has worked out


I know you won't answer this question but who is more likely to be affected by a magazine ban

a) honest people who have no intent of shooting innocent people

b) people plotting mass murders and doing stuff like rigging illegal bombs as booby traps etc?
 
Goshin said:
Molon Labe! :mrgreen:
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Μολὼν λαβέ

A cover plate for your glock; or

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a dust cover for your AR15.

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Catawba said:
OK for ****s and giggles, lets subtract the 38% of the black population from the US intentional firearms deaths.

If we subtract 38% from the 32.5 intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 1 million people in the US, that leaves 20.15 intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 1 million people in the US. Comparing that to all the other wealthy nations still has the US at the top which mean that turtledudes statement:



and your attempt to defend it have failed.






We have done it before, and we can do it again! :mrgreen:
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you forgot that many of those murders were not specified

what we do know is that more than 50% of those doing time or on death row are black

hispanics are listed as WHITE when they are the perpetrators btw

do the math,

hispanics are way overrepresented in murder convictions as well

lots of illegals too

6% of the population is making up more than half the people convicted of murder (Black females are rare in such cases so black males are responsible for over half the murders where there is a conviction)
 
Thunder said:
laws that ban the manufacture & sale of handgun magazines above 10 rounds & rifle magazines above 20 rounds, don't depend upon criminals respecting the law.

This is a silly strawman that you constantly repeat.
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If for whatever reason we do get invaded I want my 30 round magazines. Sure it may not happen but there is nothing wrong with being prepared.

As far as the we don't need it arguement, I don't need a Chevy Volt but I'm not out trying to get it outlawed.
 
TurtleDude said:
its really stupid to think banning such things will provent criminals from obtaining them...
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if they can't buy them in stores, and they can't buy them online, and they can't buy them in magazines.

then it might be kinda hard for them to buy them.

sure, they might try. or they might not.
 
TurtleDude said:
like most gun haters your perspective is the criminal misuse of the gun which establishes how clueless you are in this topic. If someone has decided they are going to kill others, they are not going to be deterred or obey a magazine restriction

only honest people

so I dismiss your babbling on this as contrary to reality
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Criminal misuse of guns is more pervasive that the need for civilians to have them. That's why 80% of the intentional gun deaths in wealthy countries occur in the US.
 
Thunder said:
if they can't buy them in stores, and they can't buy them online, and they can't buy them in magazines.

then it might be kinda hard for them to buy them.

sure, they might try. or they might not.
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Who is more likely to be deterred by that law

a guy planning mass murder with a potential of 12 death sentences

or someone

who has never even received a speeding ticket
 
Catawba said:
Criminal misuse of guns is more pervasive that the need for civilians to have them. That's why 80% of the intentional gun deaths in wealthy countries occur in the US.
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that is just another stupid unsupported bit of idiocy

criminal misuse of firearms pales to the comparison of crimes prevented by law abiding armed citizens
 
TurtleDude said:
you forgot that many of those murders were not specified

what we do know is that more than 50% of those doing time or on death row are black

hispanics are listed as WHITE when they are the perpetrators btw

do the math,

hispanics are way overrepresented in murder convictions as well

lots of illegals too

6% of the population is making up more than half the people convicted of murder (Black females are rare in such cases so black males are responsible for over half the murders where there is a conviction)
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Trying to change the subject doesn't hide your failure above.
 
Catawba said:
Criminal misuse of guns is more pervasive that the need for civilians to have them. That's why 80% of the intentional gun deaths in wealthy countries occur in the US.
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It doesn't matter what the *need* is. The second amendment is not based on need, but on rights guaranteed. I'm going to guess that the intentional gun deaths in wealthy countries has nothing to do with wealth, and everything to do with culture.
 
Catawba said:
Criminal misuse of guns is more pervasive that the need for civilians to have them. That's why 80% of the intentional gun deaths in wealthy countries occur in the US.
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I couldn't disagree with you more. If we wan't to use that line of logic though why not ban automobiles, after all they killed almost 35,000 people last year?
 
TurtleDude said:
Who is more likely to be deterred by that law...
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let me put this in plain English:

nobody give a damn if they are deterred or not. The goal is to make it as hard as possible for them to acquire one, whether they respect the law or not.

do you understand?

or would you like us to pass an amendment to the law stating that it only pertains to criminals, and non-criminals are free to ignore it.

would that satisfy you?
 
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TurtleDude said:
that is just another stupid unsupported bit of idiocy
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"the U.S. firearm homicide rate is about 20 times higher than in 22 other populous high-income countries combined, despite similar non-lethal crime and violence rates. Unsurprisingly then, they claim that in recent years, among 23 populous, high-income countries, 80 percent of all firearm deaths occurred in the United States. "

Aurora and the U.S. Obsession with Guns: Leadership Wanted to Fight Political Capture | Brookings Institution
 
Catawba said:
Trying to change the subject doesn't hide your failure above.
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i think everyone saw you were schooled on this subject. If you look at that stat Goshin posted you will see no hispanics

Hispanics are counted as whites in many studies


Bureau of Justice Statistics Homicide trends in the U.S.: Trends by race

the other day I bought my son a skeet gun. the dealer had a NEW form 4473 (and since I bought a pistol a month ago I know it was different)

it used to be there were several boxes that you check-white, african american, asian etc

now they have one specifically Latino or Non-latino

interesting
 
Thunder said:
let me put this in plain English:

nobody give a damn if they are deterred or not. The goal is to make it as hard as possible for them to acquire one, whether they respect the law or not.

do you understand?

or would you like us to pass an amendment to the law stating that it only pertains to criminals, and non-criminals are free to ignore it.

would that satisfy you?
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this has to be a new low in the idiocy of a Thunder post

a new nadir has been reached
 
Catawba said:
"the U.S. firearm homicide rate is about 20 times higher than in 22 other populous high-income countries combined, despite similar non-lethal crime and violence rates. Unsurprisingly then, they claim that in recent years, among 23 populous, high-income countries, 80 percent of all firearm deaths occurred in the United States. "

Aurora and the U.S. Obsession with Guns: Leadership Wanted to Fight Political Capture | Brookings Institution
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I believe if you will look at the other wealthy countries we are compared to, you will likely see much more homogenous populations, with less diversity. This has nothing to do with wealth.
 
lizzie said:
I believe if you will look at the other wealthy countries we are compared to, you will likely see much more homogenous populations, with less diversity. This has nothing to do with wealth.
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what you will also see is that our gun numbers (possession and carrying weapons) has gone way up and violent crime has gone down

Britain that had negligible gun crime long before they started passing idiotic gun laws has seen its rate of gun violence go way up since bans.
 
Thunder said:
I take your failure to respond with substance as evidence that you have nothing of substance to respond with.
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Thunder said:
let me put this in plain English:

nobody give a damn if they are deterred or not. The goal is to make it as hard as possible for them to acquire one, whether they respect the law or not.

do you understand?

or would you like us to pass an amendment to the law stating that it only pertains to criminals, and non-criminals are free to ignore it.

would that satisfy you?
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you don't care about deterrence but you want to make it hard to get


jeez do you realize how incredibly stupid that is?

why cannot you answer an easy question

if you are gonna run away from every question we have to assume your goal here is to clutter up threads that have messages you don't like


sorry Thunder, we will keep our magazines because the schmucks are gonna get them anyway. Just because you live under the control of a castrating fascist in NYC doesn't mean the rest of us are gonna put up with being eunuchs
 
TurtleDude said:
what you will also see is that our gun numbers (possession and carrying weapons) has gone way up and violent crime has gone down

Britain that had negligible gun crime long before they started passing idiotic gun laws has seen its rate of gun violence go way up since bans.
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you have argued that we should't pass any more gun regulations, because criminals don't care about laws..so what's the point.

well, many folks don't care about stop signs, or traffic signals, or cross-walks, or leash-laws, or turn-signal laws, or speed-limits, or seatbelt-rules.

by your logic, we should simply due away with these laws, since some people ignore them. Is this your argument?

we should do away with laws because some folks don't abide by them?

we should only pass a law if we are sure that the target of the law will respect it????????
 
Thunder said:
you have argued that we should't pass any more gun regulations, because criminals don't care about laws..so what's the point.

well, many folks don't care about stop signs, or traffic signals, or cross-walks, or leash-laws, or turn-signal laws, or speed-limits, or seatbelt-rules.

by your logic, we should simply due away with these laws, since some people ignore them. Is this your argument?

we should do away with laws because some folks don't abide by them?
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what you fail to understand is that the laws you want to pass cause very obvious harm and have very ephemeral evidence of doing any good.
 
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