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Why would you own an assault rifle?

Would you own an assault Rifle? Why?

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Goshin said:
yeah, very true. The term is misleading.

Many people who don't know much about weapons think it refers to "machine guns" or full auto rifles. That wasn't remotely what the so-called AWB was about.

My "assault rifle" is a military rifle but without the selector switch... it is strictly semi-auto. I have no particular interest in full-auto, other than as playtime-lets-waste-ammo at the range.
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In the late 1980's Josh Sugarmann of the obscure Violence POlicy Center (a place he went to after being fired for being too honest [extreme] by Sarah brady) realized that the campaign against saturday night specials was being lost

so he wanted another weapon to demonize. after perhaps watching RAMBO one too many times, this turd Sugarmann, sent out a paper to left leaning media types telling them to demonize semi auto "assault weapons" by deliberately confusing them with machine guns that sometimes look similar.

after that paper went out, the VPC was "blessed" by Patrick Purdy's murder spree in Stockton Kalifornia using a Type 56 Chinese made semi auto rifle

after the VPC paper went out the use of the term SEMI AUTO in the MSM went from a couple mentions for all of the 7 years before the paper to HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF TIMES. we even had crap like "the suspect was armed with a semi automatic revolver" or a semi automatic pump shotgun
 
For one thing, the M-4 is an awesome looking gun,

secondly, shooting is fun.

thirdly, toys are fun and adult toys are more fun. :)
 
Thunder said:
For one thing, the M-4 is an awesome looking gun,

secondly, shooting is fun.

thirdly, toys are fun and adult toys are more fun. :)
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tell us again why you want to limit the magazine capacity of these firearms
 
Goshin said:
Or, another way of putting it is: that since so many anti's misuse and misconstrue these terms, either for their own benefit or out of sheer ignorance, we like to make sure the discussion is specific enough that everyone knows EXACTLY what we're talking about.


It is called "clear communication".
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100% correct. His question makes me believe that some actually just want to blur that definition further... or really have no idea what the answer is and don't want to look foolish trying to answer. ;)
 
How about the Wiki definition as a standard. It seems to be pretty accurate:

It must be an individual weapon with provision to fire from the shoulder (i.e. a buttstock);
It must be capable of selective fire;
It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle;
Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable magazine rather than a feed-belt.
And it should at least have a firing range of 300 meters (1000 feet)

Rifles that meet most of these criteria, but not all, are technically not assault rifles despite frequently being considered as such. For example, semi-automatic-only rifles like the AR-15 (which the M16 rifle is based on) that share designs with assault rifles are not assault rifles, as they are not capable of switching to automatic fire and thus are not selective fire capable. Belt-fed weapons or rifles with fixed magazines are likewise not assault rifles because they do not have detachable box magazines.

The term "assault rifle" is often more loosely used for commercial or political reasons to include other types of arms, particularly arms that fall under a strict definition of the battle rifle, or semi-automatic variant of military rifles such as AR-15s.
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The only rifle I own is a Ruger 10/22, and it has a 10 round clip, but I certainly don't consider it an assault rifle, unless I intend to assault rabbits.;)
I would love to have an AK 47, but other than those two, I don't have any rifle lust.
 
lizzie said:
How about the Wiki definition as a standard. It seems to be pretty accurate:



The only rifle I own is a Ruger 10/22, and it has a 10 round clip, but I certainly don't consider it an assault rifle, unless I intend to assault rabbits.;)
I would love to have an AK 47, but other than those two, I don't have any rifle lust.
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best magazine for the 10-22 is the BUTLER CREEK STEEL LIPS 25 round "banana magazine" these last so much longer than the normal Butler Creek mags. If you shop around (Try CDNNINVESTMENTS.com) you can find the Butler Creeks for under 22 dollars-the standard ones have dropped to about ten dollars.
 
Thunder said:
so someone can't steal my rifle and use it to mow down a movie theater showing "The Dark Knight Rises".
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how is magazine capacity related to someone stealing your rifle? if they steal a rifle why not steal some hi cap mags-there are MILLIONS of them owned legally now

lets stop the mental self abuse Thunder-this sort of post of yours is a pimple on the ass of a good discussion
 
TurtleDude said:
best magazine for the 10-22 is the BUTLER CREEK STEEL LIPS 25 round "banana magazine" these last so much longer than the normal Butler Creek mags. If you shop around (Try CDNNINVESTMENTS.com) you can find the Butler Creeks for under 22 dollars-the standard ones have dropped to about ten dollars.
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Thanks for that info. What's your favorite ammo for it?
 
TurtleDude said:
best magazine for the 10-22 is the BUTLER CREEK STEEL LIPS 25 round "banana magazine" these last so much longer than the normal Butler Creek mags. If you shop around (Try CDNNINVESTMENTS.com) you can find the Butler Creeks for under 22 dollars-the standard ones have dropped to about ten dollars.
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I disagree, the Ruger BX-25's are significantly better than Butler Creek's. But you'll be paying a little more then.

lizzie said:
Thanks for that info. What's your favorite ammo for it?
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CCI Mini Mags!
 
I would not buy one... I have thought about getting a gun for home protection in the past (when we lived in the US) but now?

Anyway... if it came to Chinese invading I would probably join a militia or Army reserves and just flat out fight (as long as my kids were older).
 
TurtleDude said:
how is magazine capacity related to someone stealing your rifle? if they steal a rifle why not steal some hi cap mags-there are MILLIONS of them owned legally now

lets stop the mental self abuse Thunder-this sort of post of yours is a pimple on the ass of a good discussion
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I know right, I cant buy > 10 round mags for my 10/22 in MD so I picked a couple up in PA. There's always a way to get around these ineffective "reasonable restrictions"
 
lizzie said:
Thanks for that info. What's your favorite ammo for it?
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10-22's need hi speed 22's. the BEST going is the winchester Grey box but they are pricey

the CCI BLAZER (either the bricks of 10-boxes of 50 or the loose packed 525 or so) are the most trouble free for the 4 10-22's we shoot

(a custom built Clark a custom built "Chief AJ" a standard and another custom rig I cannot recall who built)
 
Lachean said:
I disagree, the Ruger BX-25's are significantly better than Butler Creek's. But you'll be paying a little more then.



CCI Mini Mags!
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I used to compete in the chevy team challenge with that Clark or AJ and we used BC's

the rugers were not available then

there is another brand that is good-I will find it in a minute
 
TurtleDude said:
...lets stop the mental self abuse Thunder-this sort of post of yours is a pimple on the ass of a good discussion
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I'm sorry my beliefs offend you so.

You asked me a question, and I answered it. Don't ask me any more questions if you are gonna reply with such pathetic hostility.
 
lizzie said:
Thanks- how's the accuracy?
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those are pretty good. CCI green label target ammo is what I use for practice out out my CMP Kimber target rifle

not quite as accurate as ELY match or RWS match but much less expensive
 
friday said:
Recently, A Democrat senator suggested that he has no idea why anyone would need to have an assault rifle. His ignorance is the premise of his decision to limit the 2nd amendment. To me the answer is pretty easy.

I would own an assault reason for the exact same reason I would own a superfast sports car that is built to exceed legal speed limits. So that if the Chinese drilling off our coast where we are not allowed to ever decided to sneak soldiers and nukes into the gulf instead of oil rig workers and equipment and invaded Florida blitzkrieg style, I'd have a chance of getting out alive.

Seriously though, would you own an assault rifle? And if so, why?
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I would own an assault rifle. I assume they are fun to shoot at things that aren't human. Is there a reason to ban them? No. Is there a reason to own one? No. But then again people by Lambourghinis for no reason either
 
I like remington as a brand but the cheap remingtons are pretty much the worst when it comes to use in semi autos. now the golden 22 bulk packs aren't bad but the thunderbolts suck and jam. So I use them in my 10 shot SW 617 22 revolver and my kid uses them in his BL-22 lever gun. don't use them in a 10-22 Jamomatic


http://www.smsguns.com/images/Rifle Ammo/Remington Thunderbolt 22LR.jpg

the cheap winchesters have light bullets and jam too
 
It isn't only ignorance on the part of a democrat senator, I give you Jim Zumbo.

Jim had a hellova career in hunting and firearms. He has degrees in wildlife/forestry and since 1962 has been writing articles for Outdoor Life. He was the Hunting Editor for that magazine, had a hunting show on the Outdoor Channel, lectured on hunting and firearms for the NRA focussing on big game hunting, (the 'manliest' hunting to be done in the minds of many hunter/firearms owners). he was a spokesman for Remington Arms.

Jim's TV shows sported such sponsors as Gerber Knives and Mossy Oak, and he has written 23 books and approx 1,500 articles.

All that is to say Jim is a bit of an authority on firearms and the American way...

errrr until he wrote the following-

"I must be living in a vacuum. The guides on our hunt tell me that the use of AK and AR rifles have a rapidly growing following among hunters.... I call them 'assault' rifles, which may upset some people....I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them 'terrorist' rifles.... we don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them.... I have always been comfortable with the statement that hunters don't use assault rifles... to most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. lets divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from our prairies and woods."

So 'ignorant' isn't just a 'gun' grabber trait. Even life long experts in the field are uncomfortable with 'assault' rifles. Zumbo was quickly stripped of jobs,shows,sponsors, and vilified by the firearm industry. He knelt before the Motor City mad man and is slowly crawling back into the hunting/firearm community.

Like it or not 'assault' rifles do conjur up fear and loathing like pitbulls, mimes, and lawyers. The public sees the high speed sportscar as cleaning the gene pool most the time, remember that 'Jackass' star? If AR gun nuts would limit his killing to himself and a close buddy most of America would be cool with that. Unfortunately they don't.

Using silly comparisons with cars or with classIII weapons doesn't further the debate, it just stirs the pot.

Lots of people, to include many 'gun' owners, don't think 'black guns' should be sold to the general public.

FYI, I am not an anti-gunner. One of the weapons I carried was the 'mattel toy' for Gawd and Country. I prefer and own a heavy barreled version of the AK, it just seems to be a bit more flexible for what I hunt. Oh and a DPMS 308 with a 24" barrel, not an 'assault' rifle by any means, big and heavy it is my pig sweeper. All my other rifles are bolt operated.

I don't plan on equipping a personal militia so I have a modest selection of firearms, but each is a trusted, well worn friend.
 
notquiteright said:
It isn't only ignorance on the part of a democrat senator, I give you Jim Zumbo.

Jim had a hellova career in hunting and firearms. He has degrees in wildlife/forestry and since 1962 has been writing articles for Outdoor Life. He was the Hunting Editor for that magazine, had a hunting show on the Outdoor Channel, lectured on hunting and firearms for the NRA focussing on big game hunting, (the 'manliest' hunting to be done in the minds of many hunter/firearms owners). he was a spokesman for Remington Arms.

Jim's TV shows sported such sponsors as Gerber Knives and Mossy Oak, and he has written 23 books and approx 1,500 articles.

All that is to say Jim is a bit of an authority on firearms and the American way...

errrr until he wrote the following-

"I must be living in a vacuum. The guides on our hunt tell me that the use of AK and AR rifles have a rapidly growing following among hunters.... I call them 'assault' rifles, which may upset some people....I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them 'terrorist' rifles.... we don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them.... I have always been comfortable with the statement that hunters don't use assault rifles... to most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. lets divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from our prairies and woods."

So 'ignorant' isn't just a 'gun' grabber trait. Even life long experts in the field are uncomfortable with 'assault' rifles. Zumbo was quickly stripped of jobs,shows,sponsors, and vilified by the firearm industry. He knelt before the Motor City mad man and is slowly crawling back into the hunting/firearm community.

Like it or not 'assault' rifles do conjur up fear and loathing like pitbulls, mimes, and lawyers. The public sees the high speed sportscar as cleaning the gene pool most the time, remember that 'Jackass' star? If AR gun nuts would limit his killing to himself and a close buddy most of America would be cool with that. Unfortunately they don't.

Using silly comparisons with cars or with classIII weapons doesn't further the debate, it just stirs the pot.

Lots of people, to include many 'gun' owners, don't think 'black guns' should be sold to the general public.

FYI, I am not an anti-gunner. One of the weapons I carried was the 'mattel toy' for Gawd and Country. I prefer and own a heavy barreled version of the AK, it just seems to be a bit more flexible for what I hunt. Oh and a DPMS 308 with a 24" barrel, not an 'assault' rifle by any means, big and heavy it is my pig sweeper. All my other rifles are bolt operated.

I don't plan on equipping a personal militia so I have a modest selection of firearms, but each is a trusted, well worn friend.
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yawn-if he doesn't want to own them fine

but that is where it should end.
 
I own a couple of so-called "assault rifles" and I would most definitely buy a few more but they are lower on the list of things I need, like a new air-conditioner for my truck and wood flooring for my house. However, I was in Academy sports just yesterday checking out the AR-15's just in case they get restricted next year. I already have a LAR-8/AR-10 (which is a .308 AR-15), and I will be using it to hunt deer starting in late October. I also have been doing a little bit of wild hog hunting with it too (haven't shot a hog with it yet though). I figure it is a multi-purpose gun, because not only it is good for deer and hog hunting, but it could be a self-defense gun if required if anarchy broke out or something. And hunting is good practice for if you ever have to use it in other scenarios (that hopefully will never happen). And if you haven't read it, the book, "One Second After" is a great book that talks about a possible scenario were an "assault rifle" would come in handy.

One Second After: onesecondafter.com - Home
 
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