View Poll Results: Would you own an assault Rifle? Why?

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  • No! Only crazies own assault rifles.

    15 11.11%
  • No, they are too expensive!

    7 5.19%
  • No, no need to.

    41 30.37%
  • Yes, for self defense

    44 32.59%
  • Yes, for recreation and sport

    52 38.52%
  • Yes, to perform my patriotic duty if the nation is invaded

    43 31.85%
  • Yes, because it's my constiutional right

    45 33.33%
  • Yes, because I'm one of the CRAZIES!!! hahahahaha

    15 11.11%
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    Re: Why would you own an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Look, since you don't seem to get the stupidity of your claim or 'definition'... I'll bring it to a 'legal' level of absurdity for you... All citizens that belong to the NRA, are not civilians, because they belong to a particular group. All seniors that knit, are partaking in a particular activity (knitting), so they are not civilians. Are you starting to see the insanity of your argument?
    You are equating NRA subscribers now to cops? It takes training and authorization to be a police officer. You and Turtledude may dress up like policemen if you want, and you don't get arrested for impersonating a police officer, but that doesn't make you policemen and you don't get the same weapons that police officers are authorized to use, which was Turtledudes point originally in our discussion when he said that civilians should be allowed to use the same weapons as the police.
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    Re: Why would you own an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You are equating NRA subscribers now to cops? It takes training and authorization to be a police officer. You and Turtledude may dress up like policemen if you want, and you don't get arrested for impersonating a police officer, but that doesn't make you policemen and you don't get the same weapons that police officers are authorized to use, which was Turtledudes point originally in our discussion when he said that civilians should be allowed to use the same weapons as the police.
    you miss the point again in your haste to divert this thread

    I said that the governmental units have decreed certain weapons useful for self defense by civilian employees of the relevant government agency and thus other civilians can find those weapons useful as well and its dishonest for a government that issues weapons to some civilians to say there is no legitimate use for other civilians to have such weapons

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    Re: Why would you own an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you miss the point again in your haste to divert this thread

    I said that the governmental units have decreed certain weapons useful for self defense by civilian employees of the relevant government agency and thus other civilians can find those weapons useful as well and its dishonest for a government that issues weapons to some civilians to say there is no legitimate use for other civilians to have such weapons
    You are not trained, or authorized to be be a police officer, therefore you don't get the same weapons.
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    Re: Why would you own an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You are not trained, or authorized to be be a police officer, therefore you don't get the same weapons.
    LOL I teach police officers

    so much blabbering

    so little knowledge

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    Re: Why would you own an assault rifle?

    Actually the police are Commissioned law enforcement Officers. They are not civilians in that they enjoy many special exemptions not even the military enjoy.

    In a court of law one Commissioned law enforcement officer's word on events vs a civilians and the Commissioned Officer's word is accepted over the civilians.

    Many Agencies grant CCW to their officers as a matter of course, some require it

    In most states retired LE gets concealed carry again as a matter of course.

    Except for a few old school Southerners, few people routinely call anyone, 'Sir' as much as Commissioned Officers in Law Enforcement are so addressed.

    You can tap dance it if you want, Commissioned Officers are not civilians. Civilians get to run away from danger.

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    Re: Why would you own an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Actually the police are Commissioned law enforcement Officers. They are not civilians in that they enjoy many special exemptions not even the military enjoy.

    In a court of law one Commissioned law enforcement officer's word on events vs a civilians and the Commissioned Officer's word is accepted over the civilians.

    Many Agencies grant CCW to their officers as a matter of course, some require it

    In most states retired LE gets concealed carry again as a matter of course.

    Except for a few old school Southerners, few people routinely call anyone, 'Sir' as much as Commissioned Officers in Law Enforcement are so addressed.

    You can tap dance it if you want, Commissioned Officers are not civilians. Civilians get to run away from danger.
    that might be the most stupid post I have seen on this issue given that you obviously believe it

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    Re: Why would you own an assault rifle?

    TD, I have taught cops as well, it doesn't make either one of us special. Unless you hold a Commission you are just another civilian, yeah a born fairly well off one but still just another guy who rubbed shoulders with cops but nothing more.

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    Re: Why would you own an assault rifle?

    TD, I have noticed a trend.
    Some folks refuse to discuss, just call others stupid or blathering and move on.

    Must be a special world.

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    Re: Why would you own an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    TD, I have taught cops as well, it doesn't make either one of us special. Unless you hold a Commission you are just another civilian, yeah a born fairly well off one but still just another guy who rubbed shoulders with cops but nothing more.
    YOu miss the point. under the jurisdiction of the courts there are the military and there are civilians

    state police are civilians
    FBI special agents are civilians
    City cops are civilians

    none of them are military

    they are all civilian law enforcement officers
    just as county DAs are
    just at each judicial district's United States attorneys are and the US Attorney is the ranking federal law enforcement officer in a District
    United States attorneys (political appointees whose tenure is that of the administration that appointed them) and career Assistant United States attorneys and Department of Justice line attorneys are civilian employees. They take the same oath that FBI special agents etc take
    probably the same one you took to join the military

    and guess what. federal law enforcement officers answer to the highest ranking federal law enforcement officer in their district-that being the US Attorney

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    Re: Why would you own an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    TD, I have noticed a trend.
    Some folks refuse to discuss, just call others stupid or blathering and move on.

    Must be a special world.
    and some miss the entire point because they jumped on here late

    the issue was how can a governmental entity claim a 17 shot pistol is useful for some civilian employees to use for self defense and turn around and say that other civilians-who might well be better trained and more knowledgeable of the law than those civilian employees-have no legitimate use to own those weapons

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