View Poll Results: Would you own an assault Rifle? Why?

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  • No! Only crazies own assault rifles.

    15 11.11%
  • No, they are too expensive!

    7 5.19%
  • No, no need to.

    41 30.37%
  • Yes, for self defense

    44 32.59%
  • Yes, for recreation and sport

    52 38.52%
  • Yes, to perform my patriotic duty if the nation is invaded

    43 31.85%
  • Yes, because it's my constiutional right

    45 33.33%
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    15 11.11%
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    Re: Why would you own an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Lot of disinformation and factual errors there.

    For one thing, the vast majority of what are widely termed "assault weapons" owned by US civilians are NOT capable of full auto fire, only semi-auto.

    For another, a shotgun or pistol is NOT "useless" against an AK47 on "full auto". Full auto is not some magic wand. Militarily it is used mainly for fire suppression. Recoil and muzzle climb tend to make most shots after the first miss high, unless we're talking mounted weapons or something.

    Put a man with a shotgun vs a man with a "full auto" AK47 and the outcome is going to depend on a variety of things...
    Who sees who first
    Who shoots first
    Who is more skilled with arms and mentally more steady under fire
    Cover, concealment, maneuver
    Who shoots ACCURATELY first
    Range between the two when someone first opens fire

    An "assault rifle" has three main advantages over a shotgun: range, mag capacity and rapid reloading. These advantages make it a more versatile weapon but they aren't necessarily the decisive factor in a combat situation.
    which is why many civilian police agencies are issuing full or semi only carbines to cops rather than shotguns which used to be the by far most popular long arm for civilian police agencies-federal or state

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    Re: Why would you own an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Please tell me where I am "Wrong".

    And...it DOES matter that these weapons were designed with the sole purpose of killing humans.

    What...pray tell, is a REAL ASSAULT RIFLE?

    "Since the Firearms Owners' Protection Act of May 19, 1986, ownership of newly manufactured machine guns has been prohibited to civilians. Machine guns which were manufactured prior to the Act's passage are regulated under the National Firearms Act, but those manufactured after the ban cannot ordinarily be sold to or owned by civilians.Since 1934, there appear to have been at least two homicides committed with legally owned automatic weapons.

    One was a murder committed by a law enforcement officer (as opposed to a civilian). On September 15th, 1988, a 13-year veteran of the Dayton, Ohio police department, Patrolman Roger Waller, then 32, used his fully automatic MAC-11 .380 caliber submachine gun to kill a police informant, 52-year-old Lawrence Hileman. Patrolman Waller pleaded guilty in 1990, and he and an accomplice were sentenced to 18 years in prison. The 1986 'ban' on sales of new machine guns does not apply to purchases by law enforcement or government agencies. "

    GunCite - Gun Control: Machine Guns

    Two whole cases, and the one that is described was committed by a police officer.... out of many thousands of MGs in civilian hands, this is statistically insignificant.

    By the way...

    Yes, weapons are dangerous; they're SUPPOSED to be. If they weren't we'd call them something else.

    When I buy a weapon for self-defense I'm buying something lethal, something designed to kill, to help me protect myself from another person with a weapon designed to kill. So what?

    "Designed with the sole purpose of KILLING HUMAN BEINGS!" (gasp! faint!) This phrase does not horrify me, sorry.

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    Re: Why would you own an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Two whole cases, and the one that is described was committed by a police officer.... out of many thousands of MGs in civilian hands, this is statistically insignificant.

    By the way...

    Yes, weapons are dangerous; they're SUPPOSED to be. If they weren't we'd call them something else.

    When I buy a weapon for self-defense I'm buying something lethal, something designed to kill, to help me protect myself from another person with a weapon designed to kill. So what?

    "Designed with the sole purpose of KILLING HUMAN BEINGS!" (gasp! faint!) This phrase does not horrify me, sorry.

    when Hughes (Dem-NJ) tried to derail the McClure Volker Firearms protection act of 1986 by putting in an amendment that probably violated the rules when it was attached, he was trying to derail a bill that anti gun extremists hated. At that time there were NO CASES of legally owned machine guns being used in crime


    so what I want the leftwing gun haters to explain

    if CRIME CONTROL IS ALL THAT MOTIVATES THEM-why the ban?

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    Re: Why would you own an assault rifle?

    Let me expand a bit on this whole "designed to kill human beings" thing.

    In the event that scumbags kick in my door one night, I don't want to be armed with a deer rifle.


    For one thing, a deer rifle (typically 30-06) has MORE capacity to overshoot or overpenetrate than most "assault rifles", if that is a concern in your area (depends on where you live, population density, etc).

    For another, many deer rifles only hold three rounds and were not really designed for combat, self-defense, or man-killing.

    Double barrel sporting shotguns are also not designed for this purpose. You only get two shots... that might not suffice.

    I prefer (depending on circumstances) either a handgun, shotgun or "assault" rifle that IS designed with combat, self-defense, or "killing human beings" in mind, because they serve the purpose in question much more effectively. No, I probably would never need to shoot 30 rounds in a home defense scenario... but I don't want to have to worry about running out of ammo before the scumbags are down or running, and with a 2 or 3 cap sporter weapon I probably would. With a 10 round mag cap I might.

    I ran into a pack of aggressive feral dogs one day on my farm, about six of them. Good thing I wasn't carrying a three-shot deer rifle.

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    Re: Why would you own an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    Recently, A Democrat senator suggested that he has no idea why anyone would need to have an assault rifle. His ignorance is the premise of his decision to limit the 2nd amendment. To me the answer is pretty easy.

    I would own an assault reason for the exact same reason I would own a superfast sports car that is built to exceed legal speed limits. So that if the Chinese drilling off our coast where we are not allowed to ever decided to sneak soldiers and nukes into the gulf instead of oil rig workers and equipment and invaded Florida blitzkrieg style, I'd have a chance of getting out alive.

    Seriously though, would you own an assault rifle? And if so, why?
    I'm really afraid of guns and given my size (4' 11) and my weight an assault weapon would probably knock me on my kiester!

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    Re: Why would you own an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Let me expand a bit on this whole "designed to kill human beings" thing.

    In the event that scumbags kick in my door one night, I don't want to be armed with a deer rifle.


    For one thing, a deer rifle (typically 30-06) has MORE capacity to overshoot or overpenetrate than most "assault rifles", if that is a concern in your area (depends on where you live, population density, etc).

    For another, many deer rifles only hold three rounds and were not really designed for combat, self-defense, or man-killing.

    Double barrel sporting shotguns are also not designed for this purpose. You only get two shots... that might not suffice.

    I prefer (depending on circumstances) either a handgun, shotgun or "assault" rifle that IS designed with combat, self-defense, or "killing human beings" in mind, because they serve the purpose in question much more effectively. No, I probably would never need to shoot 30 rounds in a home defense scenario... but I don't want to have to worry about running out of ammo before the scumbags are down or running, and with a 2 or 3 cap sporter weapon I probably would. With a 10 round mag cap I might.

    I ran into a pack of aggressive feral dogs one day on my farm, about six of them. Good thing I wasn't carrying a three-shot deer rifle.
    you have to understand that many of those anti gun nuts do NOT BELIEVE in a right of self defense so arguing self defense scenarios to them is not going to register with them.

    there are no empirical studies supporting the ten round limit. its something CLinton and Biden and Schumer pulled out of their colons

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    Re: Why would you own an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    I'm really afraid of guns and given my size (4' 11) and my weight an assault weapon would probably knock me on my kiester!

    Nah. A 5.56 doesn't have much recoil and the newer models are very light weight. With a little training you could handle one quite readily I'm sure.

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    Re: Why would you own an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Nah. A 5.56 doesn't have much recoil and the newer models are very light weight. With a little training you could handle one quite readily I'm sure.
    my son-at 14 who has over 6 years of serious shooting under his belt, started shooting an AR 15 several years ago. The AR with the collapsing stocks are ideal because the L O P on the stock can be adjusted for short people (or those wearing body armor) I built him a 22 LR only AR and then bought one made that way later on. Then a AR 15 in 545x39 Russian since it kicks even less than the NATO ROUND.

    at 14 he is small-5-0 90 pounds but the AR in 556 is no problem. He shoots clays with a semi auto rem 1100 but Last night I bought him a Beretta 12 g with the short youth stock since I compete with a similar gun (and thus he can use the expensive an top flight Briley competition chokes that I have)

    we have a couple friends in the Men's archery (they got into the medal round with a one point win over Japan) and when that is over we will be trying out his new shotgun on the skeet range

    a AR 15 kicks less than a 20G shotgun. The AKs in 762x39 kick a bit more than ARs-the AK 74 in the 545 kicks less

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    Re: Why would you own an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    stop lying stop diverting

    your definition is irrelevant and wrong

    federal statute has two categories

    military and civilians

    you are employing the squid defense-lots of ink and lots of suck



    the issue involves the statement by governments

    something you have spewed ink and suck at



    A "lawyer" that not only doesn't believe in the rule of law and can't tell the difference between the police and civilians. Keep us laughing "counselor"!
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    Re: Why would you own an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post


    A "lawyer" that not only doesn't believe in the rule of law but can't tell the difference between the police and civilians. Keep us laughing "counselor"!
    He cited to you the legal definition, you cited answers.com...

    Goodness you cannot help lying, trolling and repeating yourself despite being proven wrong can you?
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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