View Poll Results: Would you own an assault Rifle? Why?

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  • No! Only crazies own assault rifles.

    15 11.11%
  • No, they are too expensive!

    7 5.19%
  • No, no need to.

    41 30.37%
  • Yes, for self defense

    44 32.59%
  • Yes, for recreation and sport

    52 38.52%
  • Yes, to perform my patriotic duty if the nation is invaded

    43 31.85%
  • Yes, because it's my constiutional right

    45 33.33%
  • Yes, because I'm one of the CRAZIES!!! hahahahaha

    15 11.11%
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Thread: Why would you own an assault rifle?

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    Re: Why would you own an assault rifle?

    This thread is emblematic of why gun control of any kind, even perfectly sensible forms of it, is a political loser for almost any politician. Here I have been roped into arguing this all evening long and its not even an issue I really care about that much. However, those that do care about having as little restrictions as possible on firearms purchases and ownership care a lot about this issue.

    My point is, that most people feel the same way I do on it. They are against gun control in general, but they believe that it should be harder for a mental case to buy one and that you probably should not be able to buy 100 round magazines. However, they are not passionate about the issue, while the other side is super passionate about it. This is why I avoid abortion threads too, its pointless to get into arguments about something you really don’t even give a **** about when the other side would give up a testicle if that’s what it took to win.
    Last edited by SouthernDemocrat; 07-27-12 at 11:41 PM.
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    Re: Why would you own an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    If you don't think that smaller magazines would reduce the number of people killed in a mass murder then you are delusional. Moreover, if you want to carry the 17 rounds a cop does, then become a cop and do the job they do.
    If you think prohibition works, you're delusional.

    Statements like the bold are no less delusional than the fantasy that "if there were no guns there'd be no shootings."
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Why would you own an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    This thread is emblematic of why gun control of any kind, even perfectly sensible forms of it, is a political loser for almost any politician. Here I have been roped into arguing this all evening long and its not even an issue I really care about that much. However, those that do care about having as little restrictions as possible on firearms purchases and ownership care a lot about this issue.

    My point is, that most people feel the same way I do on it. They are against gun control in general, but they believe that it should be harder for a mental case to buy one and that you probably should not be able to buy 100 round magazines. However, they are not passionate about the issue, while the other side is super passionate about it. This is why I avoid abortion threads too, its pointless to get into arguments about something you really don’t even give a **** about when the other side would give up a testicle if that’s what it took to win.
    Appeal to population is a logical fallacy, and though we live in a democracy our rights, especially those that "shall not be infringed" should never be voted away. In fact that's the whole point of constitutionality.

    Its a political loser for the same reasons the War on Drugs is a loser. Show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Why would you own an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    This thread is emblematic of why gun control of any kind, even perfectly sensible forms of it, is a political loser for almost any politician. Here I have been roped into arguing this all evening long and its not even an issue I really care about that much.
    Or perhaps it's because the 'sensible' solutions you and the anti-gun people put forth have been shown again and again to have no effect on crazies.
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    Re: Why would you own an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    If you don't think that smaller magazines would reduce the number of people killed in a mass murder then you are delusional. Moreover, if you want to carry the 17 rounds a cop does, then become a cop and do the job they do.
    Been there, done that. IF the day ever comes that scumbags kick my door in the middle of the night (and it happens somewhere every night), I don't want the ammo capacity of my weapon arbitrarily limited by some politician or some well-intentioned but misguided do-gooder who fails to realize why his idea won't really help.


    Rights, especially those specifically enumerated in the BoR, should not be infringed unless a law can stand the test of Strict Scrutiny: Absolutely necessary purpose, narrowly focused on a specific issue, and the least restrictive means possible of achieving the end in question. Mag cap limits do not meet those tests.

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    Re: Why would you own an assault rifle?

    Would you own an assault Rifle?
    Cause it's f'ing awesome to shoot.
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    Re: Why would you own an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    Stable platform, relatively low recoil (depending on what you get), light weight (also dependent on what you get), the design of the "assault rifle" pushes the rifle straight forward, and not upward like more traditionally shaped rifles making a follow up shot quicker. Critical during certain shooting sports, and marmot hunting. Capacity is dependent on the magazine, more rounds means more time shooting that reloading, plus the amount of accessories and optics are near infinite. It's not my preferred rifle type, but I can definitely see its advantages for sport and hunting.
    I had no idea people hunted marmots until now. That must be about the easiest hunting imaginable other than the fact you have to get your self up to tree line. (i know this is way off topic)
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    Re: Why would you own an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    This thread is emblematic of why gun control of any kind, even perfectly sensible forms of it, is a political loser for almost any politician. Here I have been roped into arguing this all evening long and its not even an issue I really care about that much. However, those that do care about having as little restrictions as possible on firearms purchases and ownership care a lot about this issue.

    My point is, that most people feel the same way I do on it. They are against gun control in general, but they believe that it should be harder for a mental case to buy one and that you probably should not be able to buy 100 round magazines. However, they are not passionate about the issue, while the other side is super passionate about it. This is why I avoid abortion threads too, its pointless to get into arguments about something you really don’t even give a **** about when the other side would give up a testicle if that’s what it took to win.
    here is your problem

    people like you whine about REASONABLE GUN CONTROL and never use reasonable arguments

    rather you start that penis envy crap and then spew idiocy why ten rounds should be the limit.

    then you get butt hurt when we dismiss your blatherings as idiotic which of course they are

    when you then try to downshift to a less idiotic argument we have already seen what you really think and continue to dismiss your arguments which are merely a facade fro what really motivated you in the first postings

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    Re: Why would you own an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    This thread is emblematic of why gun control of any kind, even perfectly sensible forms of it, is a political loser for almost any politician.

    That is extremely good news. I am very pleased it is so.



    My point is, that most people feel the same way I do on it.

    Really? It doesn't look that way. Politicians wouldn't lose elections for supporting what you consider "common sense gun control" if the majority were with you on this.


    They are against gun control in general, but they believe that it should be harder for a mental case to buy one and that you probably should not be able to buy 100 round magazines.
    I am fine with the first, underlined point, if we can find a way to do it that doesn't violate medical confidentiality, inhibit people from seeking help, or draw the line at ridiculously minor things like anxiety.

    The second, bolded part.... well I don't really care about 100 round drum magazines, they are pieces of crap and the Colorado shooter's drum jammed as they often do. But you were saying you want a 10 round limit and I have a big problem with that. It is arbitrary; it is unnecessary and won't help; it does not meet Constitutional Strict Scrutiny; it infringes on an enumerated right in a way that is unlikely to have any large postive effect in the venue that it is intended to have.

    No thanks. I'm glad this issue is a dead one for politicans for the time being... may it remain so. We have compromised on 2A rights MORE than enough already; we have MORE than enough gun control laws already on the books; what we need is criminal control and loonie control, not gun control.
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    Re: Why would you own an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    here is your problem

    people like you whine about REASONABLE GUN CONTROL and never use reasonable arguments

    rather you start that penis envy crap and then spew idiocy why ten rounds should be the limit.

    then you get butt hurt when we dismiss your blatherings as idiotic which of course they are

    when you then try to downshift to a less idiotic argument we have already seen what you really think and continue to dismiss your arguments which are merely a facade fro what really motivated you in the first postings
    Or it could be that you call anyone that disagrees with you on this topic at any level anti-gun even if that individual is a life long gun owner (I am) and owns a few guns themselves ( I do). I am not anti-gun, I am anti absolutism. Its obvious we are not going to see eye to eye and thats why its pointless though. For example, if you have a fundamentalist and a biologist arguing about evolution, most likely they are not going to agree on anything no matter how long they go back and forth about it.
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