View Poll Results: What is America's greatest sin?

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  • The war for independence

    1 1.02%
  • Slavery

    32 32.65%
  • Indians / native Americans

    35 35.71%
  • Hiroshima, Nagasaki bombing

    3 3.06%
  • The war in Vietnam

    2 2.04%
  • The FED

    7 7.14%
  • The Cold war

    0 0%
  • The Civil war

    0 0%
  • Other

    15 15.31%
  • I can't tell

    3 3.06%
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Thread: America's greatest sin [W:264]

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    So you think American Muslims are treated the same as American Christians?
    By the law absolutely. But I can see the argument that they are sometimes treated differently within civil society.

    What I don't see is how anyone with the mental acuity to form coherent sentences can nonetheless be so utterly idiotic as to claim that they are viewed the same as slaves or Native Americans throughout the 19th Century.

    When we start rounding Muslims up and storing them on military camps, let me know. When we start buying and selling Muslims as chattel that you can rape, beat, or kill at will, let me know. Until then, your post remains moronic.

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    By the law absolutely. But I can see the argument that they are sometimes treated differently within civil society.

    What I don't see is how anyone with the mental acuity to form coherent sentences can nonetheless be so utterly idiotic as to claim that they are viewed the same as slaves or Native Americans throughout the 19th Century.
    What I claimed was, it was the same "twisted mindset" that caused those behaviors - not that they were the same behavior. I even gave examples because it's pretty obvious that what we did to the American Indians (killing and displacing them; in essence conquering them) wasn't the same things we did to the Africans (buy, sell, and use them as slaves). I'd think anyone "with the mental acuity to form coherent sentences" could see the differences in those two examples. I'd also think one could see the similarities as I noted, that we had "no respect for [those] people or their culture".

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    When we start rounding Muslims up and storing them on military camps, let me know.
    You mean like we did with the Japanese Americans in WWII? Some people actually talked about doing that with the Muslims after 9/11 - "to protect them".

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    When we start buying and selling Muslims as chattel that you can rape, beat, or kill at will, let me know. Until then, your post remains moronic.
    Muslims have been beaten and/or killed just because they were Muslims. Having title/deed to their person was not required.
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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill
    By the law absolutely.
    Actually not at all, the FBI targets them, you even have cases of the FBI trying to set them up, they can be detained over anything based on being called a terrorist and so on.

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    I would suggest that part of the reason for the decay of our society is because many of the decent Souls have already moved on, and we're left with an ever increasing percentage of the population as Souls that will likely never reach that Higher Plane.
    You really need help, your clearly deeply sociopathic.

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Going through the list.... Slavery-Obviously not a good thing.... But WE did not create the practice. At the time of conception of this country, it was practiced throughout much of the world and had been going on since people have been on this planet. Continuing a practice is not a sin in of itself, when there was at the time no glaring examples of its wrongfulness. (I am talking about the 1770's) If we were to still continue the practice when it became knowingly wrong then yes, it would be the greatest sin.

    Native American- My wife has very strong Native American heritage, enough that her mom lives on a reservation and goes by the name of White Dove while on the reservation. My wife would qualify to be on one if she chose to. I have learned a little history of Native Americans. And, history over time has been altered by some to make the wrongs look more evil then they really were, at the time. Native Americans welcomed the Europeans and incorporated European culture and their advanced technology. You can see clear evidence of this. And, while there are some really bad things that happened, Native Americans did agree to some of it as well. Overall one of the worst black eyes of the USA, but the history of it has been re written just like so many other things and it has taken on a greater sin than what it originally was. That is the problem with the history re writes. We look at it through the lens of current time and how wrong it would be IF it were to be going on today.

    Dropping Nukes on Japan- I agree we did the correct thing there. The war would have gone on for a considerable length of time had we not and over time, as many people perhaps many more would have died. We did it all in a short amount of time. And it was not by any means a surprise attack. We warned Japan that we would do this, more or less begged them to surrender to avoid a drawn out war that neither country wanted. The Japanese government did not accept this. Doing so ended what would have been a bloody prolonged war that would have actually hurt both countries in many ways worse. Look at Japan now. They not only survived two nuke attacks but have gone on to thrive and have become a world power.

    The cold war- Can't say its a sin since we never used the thousands of nukes we built. During the time of cold war, there was actually more peace throughout the planet than at any other time in modern history.

    I won't even bother to acknowledge the others. I cannot really choose any great sin. the USA has done so much more good for the world and has treated its citizens overall far better than any other country in history. What bad we have done has been done by so many other countries and far worse measurably.
    Last edited by 00timh; 07-31-12 at 11:37 AM.

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    You really need help, your clearly deeply sociopathic.
    That's not happening. Not now. Not ever.

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    You really need help, your clearly deeply sociopathic.
    You're coming slightly late to a conclusion that has been generally accepted here at DP for some time.
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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    I'd have to say slavery is the worst, but the treatment of Native Americans ranks up there.

    Basically, I'd say race relations in general, and the treatment of racial minorities is the worst thing ever to happen in America.


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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Genocide is a pretty big deal....I picked Native Americans.
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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    You're coming slightly late to a conclusion that has been generally accepted here at DP for some time.
    And which all of you know is never going to change. Which is why I often wonder why many of you even bother to engage in conversation with me most of the time.

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    the deaths in the native American communities were largely the result of disease, not genocide on the part of the Americans.

    while our treatment of them was generally abusive and in many instances horrific, it does not come close to the stain of slavery.
    Trail of Tears? Forced relocation of entire Native American nations? Thousands round up in concentration camps? I get where your going, but the reason many Native Americans died from disease were due to the conditions they forced into by the United States. But in comparing the killing of Native Americans and slavery, both are equally horrifying.

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