View Poll Results: What is America's greatest sin?

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  • The war for independence

    1 1.02%
  • Slavery

    32 32.65%
  • Indians / native Americans

    35 35.71%
  • Hiroshima, Nagasaki bombing

    3 3.06%
  • The war in Vietnam

    2 2.04%
  • The FED

    7 7.14%
  • The Cold war

    0 0%
  • The Civil war

    0 0%
  • Other

    15 15.31%
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Thread: America's greatest sin [W:264]

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Yeah. I actually respect Tradition, and the Olde Ways. You know, the way things were for several thousand years; back when society had some value.
    Ok so your pro-slavery, pro monarchy, pro feudalism, or whatever, human rights don't exist in your eyes, women are or can be property, rights are not inherent but instead dependant on your place in society, and I guess blacks are inferior.

    BTW, several thousand years back there were tons and tons of different values that chagned and shifted, so exactly which one do you think is right???

    I'm from the Ghenghis Khan School of Diplomacy..... You give the enemy one chance to surrender. If they do, they immediately assimilate to your culture. If they refuse, you wipe them out. Any who do survive are expected to assimilate immediately.
    And what gives you that right? And what makes them your enemy???

    Honestly what values are you picking and choosing .... You have no values ...

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Allowing Secular Humanism to be established as the national religion, which explains most of the poll options, has devalued private property, multiplied our deficit and eroded the national character.

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

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    So you think American Muslims are treated the same as American Christians?

    Or are you saying you truly believe we're NOT arrogant and/or think our way of life is the best?
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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    Ok so your pro-slavery, pro monarchy, pro feudalism, or whatever, human rights don't exist in your eyes, women are or can be property, rights are not inherent but instead dependant on your place in society, and I guess blacks are inferior.
    Pro-Feudalism more than monarchy. I have no issue with slavery in general, just slavery based on race alone. I am a much larger believer in PRIVILEGES than Rights which are dependent both on your place in society and your thoughts, words, and deeds. No race is any more or less than any other. It's individuals who are better or worse depending on who they are.

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    BTW, several thousand years back there were tons and tons of different values that chagned and shifted, so exactly which one do you think is right???
    Personally, I think the ideal society would be loosely based on the Norman kingdoms of the 12th and 13th centuries.

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    And what gives you that right? And what makes them your enemy???
    "Cannons are the Ultimate Arguement of Kings" - Napoleon. Might makes right. Always has and always will, RGacky.

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    Honestly what values are you picking and choosing .... You have no values ...
    I have plenty of values. They're just not the ones that most people embrace these days.

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Allowing Secular Humanism to be established as the national religion, which explains most of the poll options, has devalued private property, multiplied our deficit and eroded the national character.
    What are you talking about ???? Religion devalued private property .... from the begining .... Secular Humanism is not at all the national religion, there IS NONE; nor does it have anything to do with private property or the deficit ...

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Pro-Feudalism more than monarchy. I have no issue with slavery in general, just slavery based on race alone. I am a much larger believer in PRIVILEGES than Rights which are dependent both on your place in society and your thoughts, words, and deeds. No race is any more or less than any other. It's individuals who are better or worse depending on who they are.
    Feudalism and monarchy are intertwined .... Why is slavery based on race any worse+???

    Also who grants the privileges and what gives them the right?

    Also who decides what is the measure of what is better or worse and why?

    Personally, I think the ideal society would be loosely based on the Norman kingdoms of the 12th and 13th centuries.
    The Middle ages, .... Well there is a reason that time period sucked, had no progress, people died young, and there was no real freedom at all, and you had tons and tons of incompitent leaders.

    "Cannons are the Ultimate Arguement of Kings" - Napoleon. Might makes right. Always has and always will, RGacky.
    Then Stop bitching about "values."

    I have plenty of values. They're just not the ones that most people embrace these days.
    You don't based on your theory that might makes right ...

    WHich basically means that anything the US does is right, since they hvae the might ...

    Clearly logic and reason is not one of your values.

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    What are you talking about ???? Religion devalued private property .... from the begining .... Secular Humanism is not at all the national religion, there IS NONE; nor does it have anything to do with private property or the deficit ...
    The idea of progressive taxation in order to fund federally administered social programs is based on secular humanism. It should be unconstitutional. And it has everything to do with private property. How can one be secure in his person and possessions if the government takes on greater and greater financial burdens that it can't afford? The entire thing is an illusion.

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    Feudalism and monarchy are intertwined .... Why is slavery based on race any worse+???
    Feudalism can exist without Monarchy. What Feudalism requires is a strong ruling caste. That caste does not need to be based on familial succession; though it does need to be a heirarcy. Personally, I'm in favor of a system where that upper echelon is actually a panel of Elders who have proven themselves Morally Enlightened.

    Slavery based on race leaves no room for the individual to prove their worthiness or worthlessness before the sentence is handed down.

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    Also who grants the privileges and what gives them the right?
    That top rung of the Feudal Order grants the privileges. They have that right by the fact that they have proven themselves to be Morally Enlightened. In other words, to decide what is Right, you have to prove that you know what's Right. By this means there is no opportunity for a change in the value structure over time.

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    Also who decides what is the measure of what is better or worse and why?
    Does it follow the Moral Path. It's not terribly difficult.

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    The Middle ages, .... Well there is a reason that time period sucked, had no progress, people died young, and there was no real freedom at all, and you had tons and tons of incompitent leaders.
    Those are the same reasons why I'd go back there in a second, given the option. The incompetent leaders I could do without, but that's why I'm not a fan of familial monarchy. It is better to live properly for two minutes than to live improperly for a hundred years.

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    Then Stop bitching about "values."
    The Rules of War and the Rules of Peace are not the same; and I'm pretty sure you understand that. Also, the rules of dealing with those who are not like yourself are different than the rules for dealing with those who are. I'm sure you understand that as well.

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    What Feudalism requires is a strong ruling caste.
    Feudalism is an economic system ...

    Personally, I'm in favor of a system where that upper echelon is actually a panel of Elders who have proven themselves Morally Enlightened.
    Proven themself to whome????

    Slavery based on race leaves no room for the individual to prove their worthiness or worthlessness before the sentence is handed down.
    So what???? Slavery in itself leaves no room for that ...

    That top rung of the Feudal Order grants the privileges. They have that right by the fact that they have proven themselves to be Morally Enlightened. In other words, to decide what is Right, you have to prove that you know what's Right. By this means there is no opportunity for a change in the value structure over time.
    Proven to whome ... and so they only decide waht is right ... because they already know waht is right????

    Does it follow the Moral Path. It's not terribly difficult.
    Slavery is not moral, neither is spousal abuse, neither is hiearchy ... neither is unaccountable or unjustified authorty ... SO yeah ... it is terribly difficult, because your just making up what is moral.

    Those are the same reasons why I'd go back there in a second, given the option. The incompetent leaders I could do without, but that's why I'm not a fan of familial monarchy. It is better to live properly for two minutes than to live improperly for a hundred years.
    And why would'nt the ruling caste just pass it down to their children??? Who's gonna stop them???

    So you basically hate humankind and would prefer a system where most people suffer???

    The Rules of War and the Rules of Peace are not the same; and I'm pretty sure you understand that. Also, the rules of dealing with those who are not like yourself are different than the rules for dealing with those who are. I'm sure you understand that as well.
    Except the principles of going to war are the same .... you didn't qualify might makes right ... moral philosophy is moral philosophy, if genocide is wrong then its ALWAYS wrong.

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    So you basically hate humankind and would prefer a system where most people suffer???
    I really see no value in the human race at this point. I believe that we are all here for a single purpose.... as a test of our Soul; to see if it's ready to move on to a Higher Plane of existance. If not, then the Soul is forced to endure Punishment and Re-Education before being allowed to take the test again, until it is no longer deemed worthy of additional chances, and cast into the Lower Planes for eternity.

    I would suggest that part of the reason for the decay of our society is because many of the decent Souls have already moved on, and we're left with an ever increasing percentage of the population as Souls that will likely never reach that Higher Plane.

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