View Poll Results: What is America's greatest sin?

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  • The war for independence

    1 1.02%
  • Slavery

    32 32.65%
  • Indians / native Americans

    35 35.71%
  • Hiroshima, Nagasaki bombing

    3 3.06%
  • The war in Vietnam

    2 2.04%
  • The FED

    7 7.14%
  • The Cold war

    0 0%
  • The Civil war

    0 0%
  • Other

    15 15.31%
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    3 3.06%
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Thread: America's greatest sin [W:264]

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    There are lots of things that go against many Traditions. What we're looking for here are the relative constants that appear in almost all of the successful cultures and societies of history. Things like Patriarchal Society, Gender Roles, A Strong Code of Morals and Values, etc...
    They obviously arn't that successful ... Since those societies collapsed ... and many of them were horrible.

    I don't agree with that. I believe that there is an instinctive human trait to lean towards those cultures and societies whose values have proven to be the most successful. When you see something appearing in most cultures, there has to be some reason behind it. I tend to believe that reason is the human instinct.
    And right now, the most successful cultures are the more egalitarian ones.

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    They obviously arn't that successful ... Since those societies collapsed ... and many of them were horrible.
    All societies eventually collapse. That's part of the way the world works. Nothing lasts forever in this world.

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    And right now, the most successful cultures are the more egalitarian ones.
    I wouldn't necessarily suggest there is a true culture or society here in the United States right now; but that's a separate issue. Human society has its highs and lows. We're in one of those lows right now and probably will be for another couple centuries.

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Human society has its highs and lows. We're in one of those lows right now and probably will be for another couple centuries.
    So, in your opinion, what were the highs?
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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    All societies eventually collapse. That's part of the way the world works. Nothing lasts forever in this world.



    I wouldn't necessarily suggest there is a true culture or society here in the United States right now; but that's a separate issue. Human society has its highs and lows. We're in one of those lows right now and probably will be for another couple centuries.

    Just what were our highs...civil war, ww1, 2, korea, nam, somalia, iraq, afghanistan...the crusades...I dont know what the highs and lows are

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    So, in your opinion, what were the highs?
    The middle ages. The early colonial period here in what is now the United States. The 1950's were probably the end of the most recent high water mark (at least here in the US).

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    The middle ages were the high?

    That society stunk ... people died young, most people lived in abject poverty, and society was run by a totally unaccountable elite

    The early colonial period? People wer dying at age 30.

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    The middle ages were the high?

    That society stunk ... people died young, most people lived in abject poverty, and society was run by a totally unaccountable elite

    The early colonial period? People wer dying at age 30.
    Life is not about how LONG you live, but how PROPERLY you live the time you have. I would willingly trade a 1000 year life in the world we currently live in for a 25 year life in a decent society.

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    How property one lives ones life is up to the individual, a good society is one that is most condusive to a good and full life ....

    Something which the middle ages and the early colonial era certainly was not.

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    First the society you live in has little to do with how well you live your life. If you are serious about only living to be 25 then it doesn't matter the society, all that matters is how you conduct your life. JC was crucified before he made it to 35, and from all I can tell he lived as he thought best.

    Second the societies you list as 'best' would be so IF you are the firstborn white male from a rather well to do family. Due to inheritance laws you be too valuable to serve the king, so your life would be one of privilege. Many a poor son from the lands faced starvation or taking the king's shilling to survive. Do you see yourself as the son of a petty noble or the son of a landless serf?

    Gender roles are interesting, England fended off the Spanish Armada under a female leader. Joan of Arc fought for France. All the while most daughters couldn't inherit, or sign contracts, yet nothing about a woman's 'role' as you see it should deny her those options.

    Seems to me you consider the highs were when either an elite ruled with little rights for the common man, or when only white males could exercise full rights of citizenship.

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    How property one lives ones life is up to the individual, a good society is one that is most condusive to a good and full life.... Something which the middle ages and the early colonial era certainly was not.
    How properly someone can live their life is often limited by the society around them. Ever try to do any in-person banking without having to utilize a female bank teller? Not very easy.

    A good and full life is one that is lived Properly. Nothing more.

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