View Poll Results: What is America's greatest sin?

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  • The war for independence

    1 1.02%
  • Slavery

    32 32.65%
  • Indians / native Americans

    35 35.71%
  • Hiroshima, Nagasaki bombing

    3 3.06%
  • The war in Vietnam

    2 2.04%
  • The FED

    7 7.14%
  • The Cold war

    0 0%
  • The Civil war

    0 0%
  • Other

    15 15.31%
  • I can't tell

    3 3.06%
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Thread: America's greatest sin [W:264]

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    Personal experience is valid unless it has a defeater, traditions are sometimes logicl and rational, sometimes not, blindly supporting traditions ... That arn't even real traditions anymore, is illogical.
    You're right that many of those traditions have been abandoned, and society is infinitely worse for it a century later than we would have been, had they been maintained.

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    You're right that many of those traditions have been abandoned, and society is infinitely worse for it a century later than we would have been, had they been maintained.
    This is still to be proven. "If" is a dangerous word.

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    This is still to be proven. "If" is a dangerous word.
    I would whole-heartedly disagree that it has yet to be proven, Canell. I see the proof of it every single day, as I move through society.

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    No tigger, there is no such thing as the traditions, which ones are you talking about? middle ages? Roman era? Chinese empire? Rennesance?

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    No tigger, there is no such thing as the traditions, which ones are you talking about? middle ages? Roman era? Chinese empire? Rennesance?
    When you look at the core of each of those societies you find quite a few of the values of those different cultures and societies are common. It is those commonalities that create real Tradition, and the ideal of Universal Morality that we have been "discussing" for the last week or so.

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    A: You'd have to include the vlaues of today.
    B: In your cannon you include things like slavery and misathropy, and total aristocracy ... all of which go again pleny of traditions.
    C: What goes in and out of traditions is totally arbitrary.

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    A: You'd have to include the vlaues of today.
    No, not really. Mostly because today's society (especially here in the United States) has no real values.

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    B: In your cannon you include things like slavery and misathropy, and total aristocracy ... all of which go again pleny of traditions.
    There are lots of things that go against many Traditions. What we're looking for here are the relative constants that appear in almost all of the successful cultures and societies of history. Things like Patriarchal Society, Gender Roles, A Strong Code of Morals and Values, etc...

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    C: What goes in and out of traditions is totally arbitrary.
    I don't agree with that. I believe that there is an instinctive human trait to lean towards those cultures and societies whose values have proven to be the most successful. When you see something appearing in most cultures, there has to be some reason behind it. I tend to believe that reason is the human instinct.

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    I don't agree with that. I believe that there is an instinctive human trait to lean towards those cultures and societies whose values have proven to be the most successful. When you see something appearing in most cultures, there has to be some reason behind it. I tend to believe that reason is the human instinct.
    Then why is today so bereft of values, as you see it?

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by Londoner View Post
    Then why is today so bereft of values, as you see it?
    Good question. The answer is unfortunately horribly simple....

    As RGacky has so willingly shown us in the last 24 hours, modern society is no longer interested in Tradition, Instinct, or things of that sort. They want something Reasoned, Locical, or Provable that they can wrap their head around. Additionally, we have fallen into the silly notion of Equality as the be-all and end-all of society. For that reason we are no longer willing to look at the concepts of Right and Wrong as Black & White concepts. We now live in a Grey society, where what one Wants to do or Can do is now more important than what one Should do.

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Iraq and totally disenfranchising US Citizens with free trade.

    All the things you mention are normal decisions.

    Drop 2 bombs or lose 2,000,000 Americans. THATS a no brainer.

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