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  • Slavery

    32 32.65%
  • Indians / native Americans

    35 35.71%
  • Hiroshima, Nagasaki bombing

    3 3.06%
  • The war in Vietnam

    2 2.04%
  • The FED

    7 7.14%
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    0 0%
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    15 15.31%
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Thread: America's greatest sin [W:264]

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    We re-elected this guy...

    I have to disagree.



    We didn't really elect him the first time around.
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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    If that's the case, then we can nuke every country we are at war with off the face of the earth. It's okay though, cause no American would die.
    If the stakes were high enough -- say, national survival were on the line -- yes, indeed, we could.

    The Allies did savage things in "the good war," WWII. We firebombed civilians, intensively and quite intentionally. We did it because it was necessary to destroy the enemy's will to continue fighting.

    We didn't want to. We resisted it at first. But it was necessary, so we did it.

    That's war.

    You should only get into it if you have to. But if you do, you should fight it with every bit of ferocity you need to. So yes, you do value the lives of your people over those of the enemy.
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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    If the stakes were high enough -- say, national survival were on the line -- yes, indeed, we could.

    The Allies did savage things in "the good war," WWII. We firebombed civilians, intensively and quite intentionally. We did it because it was necessary to destroy the enemy's will to continue fighting.

    We didn't want to. We resisted it at first. But it was necessary, so we did it.

    That's war.

    You should only get into it if you have to. But if you do, you should fight it with every bit of ferocity you need to. So yes, you do value the lives of your people over those of the enemy.
    When someone says that just one American soldier is worth untold number of "enemies" or enemy civilians, then the only stakes would be the life of one American soldier, not the survival of a nation. Therefore, if nuking a country off the face of the map would save the life of one American soldier, then so be it, according to that logic.

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    When someone says that just one American soldier is worth untold number of "enemies" or enemy civilians, then the only stakes would be the life of one American soldier, not the survival of a nation. Therefore, if nuking a country off the face of the map would save the life of one American soldier, then so be it, according to that logic.
    That's baggage you're adding yourself.
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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    That's baggage you're adding yourself.
    Not really. If someone says one American life is worth an unlimited or untold number of enemies lives, that's where that logic will eventually lead. Why risk the lives of one American when we can just completely disintegrate a whole enemy nation?

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    When someone says that just one American soldier is worth untold number of "enemies" or enemy civilians, then the only stakes would be the life of one American soldier, not the survival of a nation. Therefore, if nuking a country off the face of the map would save the life of one American soldier, then so be it, according to that logic.
    Silly argument. If you are involved in a war where your prisoners of war are dying daily in the most appalling circumstances and where to end that war by other means would cost both you and your enemy far more lives, then you do what is necessary to end it.
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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    When someone says that just one American soldier is worth untold number of "enemies" or enemy civilians, then the only stakes would be the life of one American soldier, not the survival of a nation. Therefore, if nuking a country off the face of the map would save the life of one American soldier, then so be it, according to that logic.
    First off, it wasn't just one American live, it was millions of American lives, and also we weren't exactly sure what it would do. In retrospect it was far worse thing than what Truman thought he was doing.
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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    First off, it wasn't just one American live, it was millions of American lives, and also we weren't exactly sure what it would do. In retrospect it was far worse thing than what Truman thought he was doing.
    Okay, I was referring to the statement "just one marine, one GI, one sailor, one airmen... is worth untold numbers of our enemies to me".

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Not really. If someone says one American life is worth an unlimited or untold number of enemies lives, that's where that logic will eventually lead. Why risk the lives of one American when we can just completely disintegrate a whole enemy nation?
    Exactly. How many US Servicemen and women would be home right now if we'd simply carpet-nuked Afghanistan and Iraq?

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Actually the paradox in nuking our enemies if national survival was thought to be at stake is it would insure the end of our nation.

    The concept of our troops being worth so many of their troops is rather new, mostly due to a change in wars of national defense to wars of national interest. Prior to that, religion, bigotry and racism drove the eagerness to be savage and de-humanize the enemy.

    Our own War of Northern Aggression had massive losses by the attacker with little regard for the common soldier braving shot and shell.

    As late as WWII submarine warfare, while considered barbaric, held the merchantship had to be warned before being sunk.

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    That drives savagery

    National Survival is a negligee the devil puts on before we lie down with him.

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