View Poll Results: What is America's greatest sin?

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  • The war for independence

    1 1.02%
  • Slavery

    32 32.65%
  • Indians / native Americans

    35 35.71%
  • Hiroshima, Nagasaki bombing

    3 3.06%
  • The war in Vietnam

    2 2.04%
  • The FED

    7 7.14%
  • The Cold war

    0 0%
  • The Civil war

    0 0%
  • Other

    15 15.31%
  • I can't tell

    3 3.06%
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Thread: America's greatest sin [W:264]

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    They might, but I'd point out that the Japanese raid on Pearl Harbour claimed just 56 civilian lives, and 1400 military lives. That's fewer casualties than 2 nights of the London Blitz, which actually continued for 6 months and claimed 27 times more civilian casualties (c. 41,500) than the entire number of US civilian casualties (1,700) throughout the entire war. So, I wouldn't play that game, if I were you.
    Remember, I value the lives of EACH AND EVERY ONE of those 1,700 American Civilians and the hundreds of thousands of American GI's, Marines, Airmen, and Sailors who died more highly than the entire non-American population of the world, then or now.

    In math terms: 1 American > The Entire Non-American World Population

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    In math terms: 1 American > The Entire Non-American World Population
    Thanks for reminding me why I loathe nationalism.
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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Remember, I value the lives of EACH AND EVERY ONE of those 1,700 American Civilians and the hundreds of thousands of American GI's, Marines, Airmen, and Sailors who died more highly than the entire non-American population of the world, then or now.

    In math terms: 1 American > The Entire Non-American World Population
    Unless they are gay, smoke, drink, leave the country, are female and talk or do anything else that you don't approve of. Then it's Death Penalty, right?

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Thanks for reminding me why I loathe nationalism.
    You're very welcome.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Unless they are gay, smoke, drink, leave the country, are female and talk or do anything else that you don't approve of. Then it's Death Penalty, right?
    You will notice that I said "Americans", no "americans" eco. There's a difference so far as I'm concerned. Though being gay, smoking, and leaving the country would be the only actual capital charges on that list of yours.

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    You will notice that I said "Americans", no "americans" eco. There's a difference so far as I'm concerned. Though being gay, smoking, and leaving the country would be the only actual capital charges on that list of yours.
    I'm guessing that something in excess of 70% of those WWII GIs would have found themselves on Tigger's Death Row for smoking and homsex. Provided he's going to bend the rules, all of those who served in both the European and Pacific theatres will have had to leave the country.
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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I'm guessing that something in excess of 70% of those WWII GIs would have found themselves on Tigger's Death Row for smoking and homsex. Provided he's going to bend the rules, all of those who served in both the European and Pacific theatres will have had to leave the country.
    We have a practice here in the United States that we don't condemn people for things they did before they were illegal. I'm all for a general amnesty for those who have done these things in the past, but once the new regulations are in place, they would be subject to deportation, incarceration, or other penalties.

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Really? Just a few words in response to this idea.... Belmarsh, Guantanamo, Extraordinary Rendition.
    Just a few words...German Prisoner of war camps, Japanese torture camps...Hanoi Hilton...videos of americans beheaded slowly...
    Its outright pukeable the way some opine over our enemies having it made in gitmo compared to the way americans have always been treated.

    Tigger is absolutely RIGHT... we ALL should put americans first...and I agree an american life is worth more than the life of our enemy during war
    Any of you that suffer from any illusions about how many american civilians would die and how uncaring the rest of the world would be if they get to us on our soil..think again... just one marine, one GI, one sailor, one airmen... is worth untold numbers of our enemies to me....once your in it WIN IT..
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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Just a few words...German Prisoner of war camps, Japanese torture camps...Hanoi Hilton...videos of americans beheaded slowly...
    Its outright pukeable the way some opine over our enemies having it made in gitmo compared to the way americans have always been treated.

    Tigger is absolutely RIGHT... we ALL should put americans first...and I agree an american life is worth more than the life of our enemy during war
    Any of you that suffer from any illusions about how many american civilians would die and how uncaring the rest of the world would be if they get to us on our soil..think again... just one marine, one GI, one sailor, one airmen... is worth untold numbers of our enemies to me....once your in it WIN IT..
    Oh, cry me a river! The whole sorry victim mentality is fairly nauseating wherever it comes from. Coming from the richest, most powerful nation on Earth with the largest and best-equipped military is frankly laughable. What you clearly and deliberately ignored in Tigger's posts is that he doesn't make distinctions between American lives and those of America's enemies, he makes the distinction between Americans and ALL non-Americans, friend and foe alike.

    If you want to claim moral superiority over your brutal and heinous enemies you need to show the world that you behave in a morally superior manner to how they behave. The "well, they do it too!" defence is a little pathetic.

    As Americans you can decide on how you value human life according to whatever criteria you decide upon. I'll leave you and Tigger to work that out for yourselves.
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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Oh, cry me a river! The whole sorry victim mentality is fairly nauseating wherever it comes from. Coming from the richest, most powerful nation on Earth with the largest and best-equipped military is frankly laughable. What you clearly and deliberately ignored in Tigger's posts is that he doesn't make distinctions between American lives and those of America's enemies, he makes the distinction between Americans and ALL non-Americans, friend and foe alike.

    If you want to claim moral superiority over your brutal and heinous enemies you need to show the world that you behave in a morally superior manner to how they behave. The "well, they do it too!" defence is a little pathetic.

    As Americans you can decide on how you value human life according to whatever criteria you decide upon. I'll leave you and Tigger to work that out for yourselves.
    Know what you go off on tangents because you think more of yourself than others do...no one said victim...YOU DID....I said this...now please pay attention so you dont have to distort my meaning or what ive said...ready ?

    One marine, Gi, sailor or airmen is worth untold numbers of our enemies during war...ONCE YOUR IN IT.....WIN IT

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Know what you go off on tangents because you think more of yourself than others do...no one said victim...YOU DID....I said this...now please pay attention so you dont have to distort my meaning or what ive said...ready ?

    One marine, Gi, sailor or airmen is worth untold numbers of our enemies during war...ONCE YOUR IN IT.....WIN IT
    This statement of yours:
    Any of you that suffer from any illusions about how many american civilians would die and how uncaring the rest of the world would be if they get to us on our soil..think again...
    screams victimhood to me. Uncaring, indeed.
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