View Poll Results: What is America's greatest sin?

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    1 1.02%
  • Slavery

    32 32.65%
  • Indians / native Americans

    35 35.71%
  • Hiroshima, Nagasaki bombing

    3 3.06%
  • The war in Vietnam

    2 2.04%
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    7 7.14%
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    15 15.31%
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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by Londoner View Post
    UN Convention on Human Rights (no genocide, political prisoners, etc). Pretty much every rich-world country currently follows that,
    Really? Just a few words in response to this idea.... Belmarsh, Guantanamo, Extraordinary Rendition.
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    Really? Just a few words in response to this idea.... Belmarsh, Guantanamo, Extraordinary Rendition.
    Sure, there are breaches, and the US isn't a signatory of the Human Rights Convention anyway, or at least of the Court that's meant to uphold it. What I'm essentially saying is that all societies will eventually progress to liberal democracy.

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Everyone turns up to help, it's just your media gives you the impression that only the US are there. A bit like Hollywood trotting out the old myth that the US won WWII virtually single-handed. As a good example, EU-sourced aid to Haiti amounted to a lot more than US aid did. Something like $400m to $220m.
    The US gives $220M and the rest of the world gives $400M. The US now makes up roughly 1/3 or the "Civilized World"? Good to know. By the way, why don't I ever see video of aircraft carriers, medical ships, etc.... from other countries hanging around off the coast of some ravaged nation; or is the US Media just not showing that stuff too?

    I've got a great idea.... the next time there's a major incident like this, how about if the US just doesn't show up. No money. No ships. No people. How do you think that will work out? I'd be very interested to see.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Where do you get the idea that the US released nations from their post-WWII debts? Post-war reconstruction loans were repaid in full, with interest. Marshall Plan grants were just that, grants, not loans and let's not forget that all goods purchased with US money had to be from US suppliers, so equally benefitting US interests.
    That is most definitely not what I was taught. Then again I'm not sure why we gave Japan, England, France, Germany, Italy, etc.... ANY money for reconstruction after the war. Definitely should not have been anything in terms of grants.
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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    We are not friends sir, dear or otherwise.

    If this was a dictatorship of people like you I'd rather be dead, thank you very much.

    And here I was thinking that you and I simply had a polite Gentlemen's Disagreement on things.... well thank you for clarifying where we stand. I suppose I forgot that you think everyone that disagrees with you in any particular ought to be killed or exiled to some dark corner of the world.

    Perhaps one of these days you'll learn to recognize the value of a hand extended in an offer of friendship.

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Perhaps one of these days you'll learn to recognize the value of a hand extended in an offer of friendship.
    Sorry, but that's not likely to happen. At least not outside of a very small segment of the population. Too much chance of getting burned when you get involved with people you haven't vetted ahead of time or who don't at least have others you know and trust to speak for them.

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    The US gives $220M and the rest of the world gives $400M. The US now makes up roughly 1/3 or the "Civilized World"? Good to know.
    No, the EU gave $400m, the rest of the world gave even more.
    By the way, why don't I ever see video of aircraft carriers, medical ships, etc.... from other countries hanging around off the coast of some ravaged nation; or is the US Media just not showing that stuff too?
    You got that right. Or perhaps you just didn't want to see what goes on. This wasn't a US-exclusive operation, not even remotely!
    I've got a great idea.... the next time there's a major incident like this, how about if the US just doesn't show up. No money. No ships. No people. How do you think that will work out? I'd be very interested to see.
    Well, that would have to be a decision for your own consciences.
    That is most definitely not what I was taught. Then again I'm not sure why we gave Japan, England, France, Germany, Italy, etc.... ANY money for reconstruction after the war. Definitely should not have been anything in terms of grants.
    Well, economically speaking the US was a big beneficiary of not having hosted any of the main event.
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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Reality TV shows...
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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Reality TV shows...
    Much as I'd like to place the blame for these with the US, I think you'll find that the British (Idol, Survivor, X-Factor, Dancing with the Stars/on Ice etc), Dutch (Big Brother, Fear Factor) and Spanish (Operación Triunfo) TV industries are more to blame for this particular disease.
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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Well, that would have to be a decision for your own consciences.
    My conscience is just fine, thank you very much.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Well, economically speaking the US was a big beneficiary of not having hosted any of the main event.
    I think the people in Hawaii might disagree with your assertion. Besides, I'd rather have the physical destruction that Europe underwent than the moral destruction that the post-war boom brought to the USA.

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I think the people in Hawaii might disagree with your assertion.
    They might, but I'd point out that the Japanese raid on Pearl Harbour claimed just 56 civilian lives, and 1400 military lives. That's fewer casualties than 2 nights of the London Blitz, which actually continued for 6 months and claimed 27 times more civilian casualties (c. 41,500) than the entire number of US civilian casualties (1,700) throughout the entire war. So, I wouldn't play that game, if I were you.
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