View Poll Results: What is America's greatest sin?

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  • The war for independence

    1 1.02%
  • Slavery

    32 32.65%
  • Indians / native Americans

    35 35.71%
  • Hiroshima, Nagasaki bombing

    3 3.06%
  • The war in Vietnam

    2 2.04%
  • The FED

    7 7.14%
  • The Cold war

    0 0%
  • The Civil war

    0 0%
  • Other

    15 15.31%
  • I can't tell

    3 3.06%
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Thread: America's greatest sin [W:264]

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Yup, when you break some eggs in your effort to make an omelet you clean up and toss out the mess and start over with some new eggs. Right? It’s just that some of us see a value in the broken eggs. But, golly, the effort in dealing with the broken eggs isn’t worth it to you is it?
    You're right.... In a lot of cases it's not worth the effort to deal with the broken eggs. Probably won't be tomorrow or the next day either.

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Yup, when you break some eggs in your effort to make an omelet you clean up and toss out the mess and start over with some new eggs. Right? It’s just that some of us see a value in the broken eggs. But, golly, the effort in dealing with the broken eggs isn’t worth it to you is it?
    but you have to break eggs in order to make an omelet
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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Course if more 'conservatives' are like Tigger then the Liberals won't have to be willing to shoot their fellow humans to enforce some New World Order. Those 'patriots' will shoot themselves! It is like raising fainting goats...

    One of my wife's favorite movies is "Office Space" where some mumbling little worm of a guy is degraded further and further all the while mutter dark little threats. It is difficult for me to understand someone who talks such a stark game of hardline choices all the while claiming to be already heading out the door (hope the new country lets you keep that shiny pistol) or ready to suck a bullet out of that shiny 45 if their own scenario turns on them.

    Talk of a One World Order with vast isolation areas for a slow 'wear them down' final solution all the while suicide as the answer if it all goes wrong.

    It is as if "Mien Kampf's" sequel is "Dummkopf"

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    For me Americas greatest sin is the invention of fast food, this started a chain reaction in the worlds food industry in which saw the West move away from local organic produce and begin to use factories to produce our meats, milk, eggs etc. Not saying America is the only country to blame but she def got the ball moving and lead the way.
    I didn't think about that one. I would have definitely tucked that in had I thought about it on time.

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    This thread is ridiculous!

    "America's greatest sin" -- what a joke!

    None of those items on that list are a "sin". How naive can a person be?!

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    Naive as American, I hope. Wow, that was one hell of a rant.
    May the gentleman suggest more appropriate term to substitute "sin"?

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Greed.

    There are only seven deadly sins and America is greedy. We want more than me need.

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    I would say the writing of the Constitution was America's original greatest sin. It put a collective bunch of slave owners, womanizers, genocidal murderers, drunks and religious zealots on a pedestal where they'd be forever worshiped. You can't make that kind of stuff up folks.
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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    I picked the way we treated our Native Americans. We gave up slavery long before we stopped mistreating the "Indians." Some tribes were exterminated; the buffalo were nearly exterminated to deliberately cut off the main food source for plains tribes. Treaties were broken. The Cherokees were rounded up and herded through several states in the dead of winter (Trail of Tears). The Nez Perce (of Oregon/Idaho) ran for Canada and were pursued by the US Calvary for many months. Most of the tribe surrendered in Montana, 40 miles from the Canadian border. They were placed in Indian Territory (now Oklahoma). All but a few of their famous Appaloosa horses were destroyed at that time. For years Indian children were taken away from their families and tribes (in attempts to civilize the heathens) and placed in government schools (where any parts of their tribal culture and language were discouraged). Countless misdeeds and persecution of tribes continued for many years. There are still a few Indian schools open today, although tribal cultural aspects are now encouraged.
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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    In terms of this Universal Morality debate... the person who's advocating them wants to 'break a few eggs'... Isn't that ironic?

    That point is interesting though. I do believe that, ultimately, all humans will agree on a very basic moral code. That is democracy, free press, etc, and the UN Convention on Human Rights (no genocide, political prisoners, etc). Pretty much every rich-world country currently follows that, even if they differ in other respects (eg Japan, South Korea...), and I believe the others will follow.

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    re: America's greatest sin [W:264]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Here's the difference......

    When something horrific happens in a Capitalist society, they don't turn to France or England to fix the problem. However, when a Tsunami hits Japan or Mexico City falls down in an earthquake, they expect the US to be there 20 minutes later to fix the problem. Part of the problem is that we don't send these countries the bill afterwards. Just like we released all the nations of their debt for rebuilding after WWII.
    Two points:

    1. Everyone turns up to help, it's just your media gives you the impression that only the US are there. A bit like Hollywood trotting out the old myth that the US won WWII virtually single-handed. As a good example, EU-sourced aid to Haiti amounted to a lot more than US aid did. Something like $400m to $220m.

    2. Where do you get the idea that the US released nations from their post-WWII debts? Post-war reconstruction loans were repaid in full, with interest. Marshall Plan grants were just that, grants, not loans and let's not forget that all goods purchased with US money had to be from US suppliers, so equally benefitting US interests.
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