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Prove US citizenship before buying a gun?

Should a person have to prove US citizenship to be able to buy a gun?

  • Yes

    Votes: 11 68.8%

  • No

    Votes: 5 31.3%
  • Total voters
    16
Thunder said:
providing proof of citizenship or Permanent Residency, is idiotic?
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we ask you to demonstrate that your pillow headed schemes have the ability to be rationally applied as law

so far we have seen squat from you
 
TurtleDude said:
we ask you to demonstrate that your pillow headed schemes have the ability to be rationally applied as law

so far we have seen squat from you
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how about making it a Federal requirement that Driver's Licenses have a "C" for citizens, "P" for permament residents, and "O" for others or those who chose not to provide such info.
 
Thunder said:
how about making it a Federal requirement that Driver's Licenses have a "C" for citizens, "P" for permament residents, and "O" for others or those who chose not to provide such info.
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that isn't a bad idea actually
 
TurtleDude said:
that isn't a bad idea actually
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withhold federal highway funding from states that refuse.

this can also apply to non-Driver ID cards.

and we can use this so know who is a citizen or PR, and who isn't.

and if you refuse to let the state know your immigration status....then u don't get to buy a gun.

....or work legally, register to vote, etc etc.
 
What if you go to a gun show in another state? Are you not allowed to buy because you're not a resident of that state? Isn't American citizenship enough?
 
TurtleDude said:
its funny bloomberg is not in prison though his "investigators" conspired to violate gun laws
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Have proof that those guns wound up in the hands of ordinary criminals ?

Undercover LE officers aren't charged with possession of drugs when they themselves conspire to sell, with the hopes of scooping up some buyers.

Maybe the government should be brought up on terrorism charges if they themselves infiltrate a terror network and install an agent, while trying to foil a terror plan.

I suppose you would have LE officials arrested for conspiracy when they try and buy illegal drugs, in their effort to try and take down sellers.

Has anyone ever accused you of being smart ?
 
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Luna Tick said:
What if you go to a gun show in another state? Are you not allowed to buy because you're not a resident of that state? Isn't American citizenship enough?
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its illegal to transport guns across state lines, except for a few reasons.
 
Unless specifically specified in the Constitution, such as citizenship restrictions on the right to vote, Constitutional rights apply to EVERYONE in the US, not just citizens.
 
Sarcogito said:
Unless specifically specified in the Constitution, such as citizenship restrictions on the right to vote, Constitutional rights apply to EVERYONE in the US, not just citizens.
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so illegal immigrants should be able to buy a gun in the USA?

it should be a crime to refuse to sell a gun to an illegal immigrant?
 
Luna Tick said:
What if you go to a gun show in another state? Are you not allowed to buy because you're not a resident of that state? Isn't American citizenship enough?
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Here are the rules

1) I live in Ohio

2) if I go to Kentucky

I can BUY a LONG GUN From a KY dealer

I cannot buy ANY GUN from ANY Private seller

I can sell a gun to a dealer

I cannot sell a gun to anyone who is not a dealer

I believe I can buy a gun from an OHIO dealer though I am not sure

I believe I can sell a gun to someone who is a resident of OHIO but I am not sure
 
Thunder said:
its illegal to transport guns across state lines, except for a few reasons.
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nope, under the McClure Volker FAOPA if own a weapon legally in state A you can legally transport it to any other state where you can legally possess the gun

that was passed when NYC assholes would arrest someone who was say traveling from florida to maine and they had a lay over in NYC and a gun in their bag

when I was on the Yale Shooting team our big meet was in NEw HAMPSHIRE and prior to that law we had to get permission from the MASS STATE POLICE TO merely drive through their state to compete. (no other way there other than perhaps going 9 hours out of our way through NY
 
TurtleDude said:
Here are the rules

1) I live in Ohio

2) if I go to Kentucky

I can BUY a LONG GUN From a KY dealer

I cannot buy ANY GUN from ANY Private seller

I can sell a gun to a dealer

I cannot sell a gun to anyone who is not a dealer

I believe I can buy a gun from an OHIO dealer though I am not sure

I believe I can sell a gun to someone who is a resident of OHIO but I am not sure
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Thanks for the clarification. I'm living in Idaho for the time being, but I'm from Nebraska and have a Nebraska license. I haven't updated my license because I intend to return to Nebraska. Plus, I really hate going to the DMV.
 
TurtleDude said:
...when I was on the Yale Shooting team our big meet was in NEw HAMPSHIRE and prior to that law we had to get permission from the MASS STATE POLICE TO merely drive through their state to compete. (no other way there other than perhaps going 9 hours out of our way through NY
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well, blaim the Massholes. I would have just driven to Brewster and then headed north.
 
Luna Tick said:
Thanks for the clarification. I'm living in Idaho for the time being, but I'm from Nebraska and have a Nebraska license. I haven't updated my license because I intend to return to Nebraska. Plus, I really hate going to the DMV.
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you cannot legally buy a gun anyplace now because you are not living at the address on your license
 
Thunder said:
absolutely.

New Haven > Danbury > Brewster > North on the Taconic up to Albany. :)
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I wasn't driving-coach was. he said it would cost us many extra hours

fortunately that idiotic law was overruled federally
 
TurtleDude said:
you cannot legally buy a gun anyplace now because you are not living at the address on your license
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So I've got to get a stupid Idaho license and one of those plates that says, "Famous potatoes," which is by far the dumbest plate slogan in the country? Or could I just get an Idaho state ID (non drivers license) and keep my Nebraska license since I plan to return?
 
Luna Tick said:
So I've got to get a stupid Idaho license and one of those plates that says, "Famous potatoes," which is by far the dumbest plate slogan in the country? Or could I just get an Idaho state ID (non drivers license) and keep my Nebraska license since I plan to return?
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you need some official document from the government showing residence.

In Ohio I see people try to buy a gun all the time with a DL that lists a former address-so they have to bring say an IRS refund check, a Jury Summons etc that shows their new address. A gun shop I used to represent was across the street from the BMV-Ohio License bureau. It was convenient and the hours of the BMV was on the shop wall of the gun shop
 
TurtleDude said:
you need some official document from the government showing residence.

In Ohio I see people try to buy a gun all the time with a DL that lists a former address-so they have to bring say an IRS refund check, a Jury Summons etc that shows their new address. A gun shop I used to represent was across the street from the BMV-Ohio License bureau. It was convenient and the hours of the BMV was on the shop wall of the gun shop
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my driver's license and my permit application license have different addresses.

....but the DL address is my folk's place, where I am still registered as a tenant and still have keys.

I guess I have two residenses. :)
 
Thunder said:
my driver's license and my permit application license have different addresses.

....but the DL address is my folk's place, where I am still registered as a tenant and still have keys.

I guess I have two residenses. :)
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I wouldn't know about NY-here in ohio as is true in most states we do not need permits to merely own guns

sorry you do-that is disgusting
 
Thunder said:
the permit should be free or close to it, and the process should be quicker.
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there should be no permit-its a waste of time that was originally designed by the rich who ran the city to keep "undesirables" from having guns even if there was no sound reason to deny them a permit. It was all about power.
 
Thunder said:
so illegal immigrants should be able to buy a gun in the USA?

it should be a crime to refuse to sell a gun to an illegal immigrant?
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Ah, but that wasn’t what the OP asked. :) We need to recognize that every year most of the non-citizens that immigrate to the US do so legally, and they should be entitled to the same 2nd amendment rights that citizens are. Assuming we are going to follow the Constitution.

As for illegal immigrants? That is more complicated for me. I wouldn’t actively protest a bill that banned them from buying guns, but I am torn on it morally. For one, I only think violent criminals and people who are mentally unstable should lose their right to bear arms. I don’t think just any crime should result in loss of that right. If you went to jail for writing bad checks then upon getting out of jail and perhaps upon completion of your probation, you should be able to own a gun again. If you used a gun in the committing of a crime then you should lose the right to have a gun, possibly for the rest of your life.

Illegal immigration isn’t a violent crime. I personally don’t even think it is an immoral one. On the other hand, they also haven’t served their sentence for committing the crime. While a check bouncer may not be a violent criminal, I also don’t think he should be able to buy a gun while there is a warrant for his arrest for committing that non-violent crime. Illegal immigrants don’t tend to have warrants out for their arrest because, well, the authorities aren’t aware who they are yet. But that is a technicality. If I am going to be true to the spirit of my stance, then I would have to say it is just to forbid illegal immigrants from buying guns, at least until they become legal and pay whatever penalty for their previous transgression that the law prescribes.
 
Luna Tick said:
Here's one reason that might justify a background check. It's pretty disgusting that an al Quaida terrorist or the member of a Mexican drug cartel might come to the United States to buy guns.
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They don't have to come here to get guns when Reagan, Bush, and the BATFE make house calls.

They're foreigners and therefore have no 2nd Amendment rights. Plus, many of them are in the country illegally. The 2nd Amendment affords citizens the right to bear arms, not foreigners who have invaded for nefarious purposes. So should we make sure to check for citizenship before allowing the sale of a gun? And include that check at gun shows?
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Non-citizens are already barred from legally purchasing firearms in the US.
 
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