Is the U.S. a Culturally Communist Country?

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This thread isn't about government, so before you ignore it as melodramatically ridiculous, relax.

When people think of communism, the following ideas generally spring to mind:

• Hierarchy
• Collectivism
• Egalitarianism
• Struggle
• Secrecy
• Sacrifice
• Manipulation

To address lib-soc's for an instant, lib-soc is a facade. Projecting a utility preference throughout a community requires authority. Even if it's informal, said authority is bestowed upon the charismatically ambitious, discriminating against the socially unaware, sensitive, and outcast who have their own lifestyles. A lib-soc society does not allow people to live first, socialize later. It insists on people socializing first, living later. Ironically, this actually makes lib-soc a conservative ideology by advocating elitist status quo where those born into fortunate circumstances who can afford to socialize right off the bat are put at an advantage. The idea of developing oneself before socializing is discouraged if not prohibited. You're expected to be witty right out of the gate. Those who are unwitty are expected to endure natural hierarchy, comparable to divine right of kings.

Anyway, it seems that the U.S. has become an increasingly culturally communist society where people are perpetually guilt tripped into awkwardness such that they're expected to sacrifice to hierarchs who supposedly operate for the good of the collective. This sacrifice is supposedly distributed in an equal manner such that the entire collective benefits, but in reality, it primarily benefits those naturally endowed with the endurance required to afford manipulation. Not only does this make benefits most compatible with manipulators, but hierarchs spot manipulators, and bestow benefits most towards them.

This seems to be based in paranoid psychopathy. It is based in the idea that appearances can be deceiving, so therefore, people have to assume the worst in others. If you don't assume the worst, then you're naive and deserve to be exploited. This is where secrecy comes into play because people do not share information since others cannot automatically be trusted. It also cycles back to manipulative endurance. Those most enduring don't feel jittery to disclose information. This has a few values to it.

One, some of the enduring are untrustworthy. These people deliberately prey on the trustworthy by getting information out of them.

Two, some of the enduring are trustworthy. These people outcast the jittery because they don't want advanced information disclosed.

Three, by definition of being enduring, the enduring are not creative. That is endurance and creativity are substitutes. The enduring don't want to be seen through as uncreative, and they want to cast an image of mystery to get creative people to be creative for them.

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If anyone is still in doubt of whether the U.S. is culturally communist, I'd like to refer you to the story of Stalin and Bukharin during the mock trials.

Bukharin was one of Stalin's most trusted friends who constantly cooperated and held full faith in him. Since the beginning of the Bolsheviks and Politburo, Bukharin came up with many of Stalin's ideas, and pledged the support of the countryside's peasantry which was a tremendous asset in considering that Russia was predominantly agrarian, not industrialized. Despite this, Stalin remained paranoid, and insisted on a devastating collectivization rather than upholding the New Economic Policy that Bukharin suggested. Bukharin worried that the communist party was becoming increasingly cold in demanding total obedience, suspecting even the most marginal of dissent as a sign of defection.

In the end, Stalin suspected that Bukharin did not grasp the dialectic method, and therefore, was too trustworthy for his own good. Despite all his pleas, Bukharin was tortured for confessions, and those confessions were presented against him.

Today's U.S. on a cultural level seems to be approaching this despicable attitude where people despise creative thinking and constantly appeal to political correctness just to fit in with bureaucracy, believing that those naturally endowed with fortunate charisma are entitled to social status.

This is ****ing retarded. The United States is possibly the most individualistic country in the entire world. Have you ever been outside of this country...anywhere? :roll:

Kandahar said:

This is ****ing retarded. The United States is possibly the most individualistic country in the entire world. Have you ever been outside of this country...anywhere? :roll:

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Individualism can be communism when people are expected to uphold other people's standards.

You know communism is based on classic liberalism's labor theory of value, right?

Your Bukharin example really ties in everything you have said in various threads about social expectations and the tyranny of the talentless. Indeed it would seem that the U.S. with its media and fame obsessed culture is even more prone politically correct attitudes than many others.

From the wikipedia article you cited: "In 1848, Karl Marx proposed that the economic recessions and practical contradictions of a capitalist economy would provoke the working class to proletarian revolution, depose capitalism, restructure societal institutions (economic, political, social) per rational, socialist models, and thus begin the transition to a communist society." It would seem that the capitalists have a very good propaganda network (right wing media, mostly in the form of talk radio) as a counterbalance to the natural tendency of the average worker to protest against the oligarchy. One need only look at the right wing talk radio drones on this site for proof. I can't think of better examples of manipulators than Rush Limbaugh and Ellen DeGeneres.

I think the same thing is happening with SSM, in the form of pop music and movie and TV stars advocating support for SSM, and fictional television shows easing people into the idea of homosexual partnerships as normal. Ellen DeGeneres is a great example..."look how nice I am, see how funny I am, I'm that clever but sort of awkward girl you knew in high school, I'm no threat to you, why would you want to persecute me?"

Manipulation and intimidation come in many forms.

I think you used communism in the wrong context as true communism has no government. You apparently are relating communism to the communist countries of the past and present, which are called communist, because in theory, they are in the socialist phase progressing towards communism and have communism as the final goal. Had you said Socialism, as in Marxist socialism without the transition to communism, then you do have a point that such tendencies are growing in our country.

There are a growing number of people in our country that wants the government to insure them against failure of their own choices and actions. They want the government to take away from some who have more (earned or not) to satisfy their own greed.

While the socialist trend is going on, there is also a trend of millions moving away from any government programs and want the government limited to only providing protections of individual rights and providing law enforcement and national defence. Some of us only want the government to protect our rights so that we may persue the life we choose and not be limited or interfered with, and are willing to accept the consequences of our own choices, good or bad.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

No one can guaranty life, you are given your life and only you can really make sure that you keep it, laws try to protect against someone wrongly taking your life, but it cannot totally prevent that. If you die as a result of your own choices and actions, it is in no way a violation of your right to life. Same with the persuit of happiness, it cannot be guaranteed that you achieve happiness, you simply have the right to persue it and accept the results of your own choices and actions.

Anytime the government is used to provide the means of your staying alive and to provide goods, services, etc to help in your persuit of happiness, it will always come at the cost of Liberty.

culturally, we hate Communism and most Communist principles.