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    would you support this gun control compromise?

    The compromise is as follows. The gun control people get something they want and the gun enthusiasts also get something they want.

    1. We get universal background checks on all gun purchases, including gun shows, private sales, absolutely anywhere that guns are sold. Convicted felons are ineligible to buy guns, and the FBI is alerted if one tries to buy one. Anyone convicted of domestic violence is ineligible, as is anyone who's mentally unstable. It becomes illegal to sell any gun without a background check on the buyer.
    2. The 1986 ban on civilians owning automatic weapons is repealed. The import of foreign-made assault rifles (such as the Russian AK-47, the Swiss SG 550, and the Israeli Uzi) is legalized. A person is no longer required to remanufacture a foreign assault rifle, including at least 10 American-made parts. He may purchase one from a foreign factory with all foreign parts, and it may include an automatic feature. (It still must be sent to a gun dealer, not directly to him, and there still must be a background check.)

    So, the gun control people get #1, the gun enthusiasts get #2. Vote if you're for this.
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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    In my own opinion, number 2 is a bad idea.
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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Darrell View Post
    In my own opinion, number 2 is a bad idea.
    I would be thrilled if we did that. I wish to own fully automatic versions of all those guns listed, plus a fully auto M-16. I also want an M1918 Browning Automatic Rifle like they used in World War I. I want to own all these guns because they're sexy. Plus, I plan to use them for watermelon hunting. I'm a vegetarian and therefore don't hunt normal game, but shooting watermelons is really fun.

    I'm going to get the next best thing to a fully automatic AK-47, which is a semiautomatic one with a rapid fire feature known as bump fire.

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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    I almost forgot -- I want to own a Thompson submachine gun. I want to dress up in a sexy 1920s flapper dress and and be photographed in a provocative pose with the Tommy Gun and give it to my fiance for our anniversary.

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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    The compromise is as follows. The gun control people get something they want and the gun enthusiasts also get something they want.

    1. We get universal background checks on all gun purchases, including gun shows, private sales, absolutely anywhere that guns are sold. Convicted felons are ineligible to buy guns, and the FBI is alerted if one tries to buy one. Anyone convicted of domestic violence is ineligible, as is anyone who's mentally unstable. It becomes illegal to sell any gun without a background check on the buyer.
    That's basically how it already is. Only problem is that only sales through registered dealers can be effectively regulated. When it comes to private unregistered citizens, how exactly is this to be regulated? It's a pipe dream at best.

    2. The 1986 ban on civilians owning automatic weapons is repealed. The import of foreign-made assault rifles (such as the Russian AK-47, the Swiss SG 550, and the Israeli Uzi) is legalized. A person is no longer required to remanufacture a foreign assault rifle, including at least 10 American-made parts. He may purchase one from a foreign factory with all foreign parts, and it may include an automatic feature. (It still must be sent to a gun dealer, not directly to him, and there still must be a background check.)

    So, the gun control people get #1, the gun enthusiasts get #2. Vote if you're for this.
    Meh, I'd rather have the Supreme Court force the states with the most oppressive gun laws to drop them.
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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    I voted yes. But I am not sure how provision 1 would be successfully carried out. For example, how would a gun dealer check if someone is mentally sound? Mental health professionals cannot release that information without the patient’s permission. And how would a dealer even know if a buyer had visited a shrink? We can’t force shrinks to input information on all of their patients especially when most of their patients won’t have any interest in ever buying a gun.

    The criminal check could be much easier though. It could be web based or even a number you call into. Similar to doing a credit check. Criminal records typically are public information so you don’t run into the same Privacy Act problems you do with the mental health side of the issue.

    So I support it in theory, but doubt it could happen in practice (at least if mental health is included as one of the disqualifiers).

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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    I would not accept anything other than no guns allowed outside one's place of residence. Even in your #1 with mental illness, you'd have to raise the minimum age to buy guns for it to be realistic. Most with mental instability and anger issues aren't officially diagnosed (apparently not the killer in this case), and many convicted felons are and were harmless. It really doesn't take much (alcohol) to set off even a "normal" person who has a gun attached to their hip already. When I see reactions to the theater massacre like "I'm thinking of buying a gun" that just affirms my belief that most people are too irrationally scared ****less to be allowed to carry a lethal weapon around in public.

    They would not have stopped the massacre. They would have been hiding on the floor after the first tear gas was thrown or try to run away like everyone else did, or far more likely they at some point kill someone themselves in a fit of rage or it goes off on accident. Even more likely they would not have been there, or in any situation where they have time to react, get their gun out and use it. That's just what we need anyway, two gun toting idiots firing away in a pitch dark theater.

    Not to mention in the vast majority of cases, if this is really about self defense and not reigning in one's fear (and feeling like a badass), mace and other non lethal objects should be more easily acquired than guns. Everyday people walking around with automatic weapons would just ensure I never leave the house, or high tail it to a more sane country.

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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolv67 View Post
    I would not accept anything other than no guns allowed outside one's place of residence. Even in your #1 with mental illness, you'd have to raise the minimum age to buy guns for it to be realistic. Most with mental instability and anger issues aren't officially diagnosed (apparently not the killer in this case), and many convicted felons are and were harmless. It really doesn't take much (alcohol) to set off even a "normal" person who has a gun attached to their hip already. When I see reactions to the theater massacre like "I'm thinking of buying a gun" that just affirms my belief that most people are too irrationally scared ****less to be allowed to carry a lethal weapon around in public.

    They would not have stopped the massacre. They would have been hiding on the floor after the first tear gas was thrown or try to run away like everyone else did, or far more likely they at some point kill someone themselves in a fit of rage or it goes off on accident. Even more likely they would not have been there, or in any situation where they have time to react, get their gun out and use it. That's just what we need anyway, two gun toting idiots firing away in a pitch dark theater.

    Not to mention in the vast majority of cases, if this is really about self defense and not reigning in one's fear (and feeling like a badass), mace and other non lethal objects should be more easily acquired than guns. Everyday people walking around with automatic weapons would just ensure I never leave the house, or high tail it to a more sane country.
    projection and stereotyping is not an argument.
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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    I voted yes. But I am not sure how provision 1 would be successfully carried out. For example, how would a gun dealer check if someone is mentally sound? Mental health professionals cannot release that information without the patient’s permission. And how would a dealer even know if a buyer had visited a shrink? We can’t force shrinks to input information on all of their patients especially when most of their patients won’t have any interest in ever buying a gun..
    I didn't address this because I wasn't sure OP was referring to that so much as court-ordered hospitalization, but...this would set a very dangerous precedent. The idea being voluntarily going in is treatment, not having constitutional rights voided. It would be sure to deter people from going in for such non-violent indicators like depression and relationship advice, or they just buy the gun and skip the therapy. Although some of that increases suicide risk, that's not what this thread is about I think. I mean where would you draw the line? Often even schizophrenia can be largely alleviated these days.

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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    projection and stereotyping is not an argument.
    100 million guns lying around leading to an insane homicide rate is

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