View Poll Results: Do you support Luna's gun control compromise?

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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    You needed more choices, my choice would be NO, because no means no. I will make a compromise with anti-gun advocates, don't try to take mine away and I won't use mine on you.

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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    most Americans understand that the Right to Bear Arms, is not absolute.
    And they are wrong.

    There is no mention of "infringing" on Free Speech, or other rights. "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"

    So yes, it IS an absolute right.

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    They have cannons, and so do I.

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    I have pistols and shotguns, they have lasers on drones...........

    See the problem.......???????

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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    that is incorrect.

    felons appeal to get back their firearm rights all the time, and often win them back. thousands have done so.
    They shouldn't have to petition to get the exercise back, it's a right and unless you are currently being punished for a crime through which you have infringed upon the rights of another, it should be assumed free exercise. It should be the opposite. If the government wants to punish an individual further, past the punishment times, then it needs to present ITS case. This is exactly backwards from what should occur in a free Republic.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They shouldn't have to petition to get the exercise back....
    loosing their gun-rights is part of their punishment.

    and yes, they should have to convince a court that they can now be trusted with a firearm.

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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    loosing their gun-rights is part of their punishment.

    and yes, they should have to convince a court that they can now be trusted with a firearm.
    Yes it is. And the punishment period ENDS. At which point, they should have free exercise of all their rights once again. It is not the individual who is restricted, it is the State. The State must prove its point, the State must demonstrate threat; otherwise the individual in unencumbered.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Homocide rate
    Venezuela 67
    United States 4.7

    Venezuela has banned guns. Banning guns do not prevent criminals from getting them.
    Not at all a good argument.
    Comparing us to some banana republic is insulting..
    But do compare us to most any European nation....or Singapore or Japan or New Zealand....more sense...a fairer point...

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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    putting all violent felons away for life or just killing them, is not how a free society operates.

    that's how North Korea, China, Iran, and Nazi Germany does things.
    I doubt if you are fooling anyone but yourself with this silly game. You keep alternating between talking about “child rapists and murderers”—criminals of a sort that certainly do merit either the death penalty or life with no possibility of parole—and “all felons” or “all violent felons”; so that when I say that the former ought to be permanently removed from free society, you can paint me as wanting the same treatment for shoplifters and bar brawlers and other more petty criminals.
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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    many crimes do not warrant execution or life-imprisonment, but still do warrant forbidding them from being able to possess a gun once they are out of prison.

    they can of course appeal to get their gun rights back, and thousands of people have done so.

    this concept is good & fair.
    Nothing good or fair or just about what you propose.

    If a punishment is to be finite, then that means there is to be a point at which the person has “payed his debt to society”, and should not be further punished.

    What you advocate is inherently unjust—allowing one to be punished for the rest of his life for a crime that does not merit that level of punishment.
    The five great lies of the Left Wrong:
    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I doubt if you are fooling anyone but yourself with this silly game.....
    The only one playing a game here Bob, is you. Hounding my posts in gun-control threads, day after day.

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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    ...What you advocate is inherently unjust—allowing one to be punished for the rest of his life for a crime that does not merit that level of punishment.
    you are being dishonest about my posts.

    Folks who loose their voting rights, gun rights, etc etc after leaving prison & fulfilling their parole regulations, can always appeal to the State to get back their rights. 3,300 people in Washington State alone have done just that. That is just and is due process.

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