View Poll Results: Do you support Luna's gun control compromise?

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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    The only way a felon can have their Second Amendment right restored is if they receive a pardon, and have their criminal record expunged.
    that is false.

    I have provided the evidence.

    since 1995, 3,300 felons got back their gun rights. And that's just in WA.

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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Interesting-certainly not the case here where I live...
    yes, the article says this is on a state-by-state basis.

    it indeed used to be rare...until the 1980s.

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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    that is false.

    I have provided the evidence.

    since 1995, 3,300 felons got back their gun rights. And that's just in WA.
    Then I was wrong. I was unaware that 11 states automatically restored gun rights. However, federal law prohibits any convicted felon from legally purchasing a firearm, so I don't know how these states get around that. The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1993 makes federal background checks mandatory, and places these prohibitions as a bar from legal gun ownership:


    Has been convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;

    Is a fugitive from justice;

    Is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance;

    Has been adjudicated as a mental defective or committed to a mental institution;

    Is an alien illegally or unlawfully in the United States;

    Has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;

    Having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced U.S. citizenship;

    Is subject to a court order that restrains the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such intimate partner, or;

    Has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.

    Has a record of being a felon

    I don't know how any retailer, who must be licensed by the federal government to sell arms, can legally sell arms to felons without facing federal charges.
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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    sorry, but I do not share your trust & faith in convicted felons.

    convicted felons cannot be trusted with guns, until our legal system deems them to be trustworthy.
    You have enough trust and faith in them to consistently object to my suggestion that the most dangerous of them ought to be permanently removed from free society.

    Either that or else you are flat-out lying (and I consider this the more likely case) when you pretend that any part of your tyrannical NannY-statist position on the subject is motivated in any way by any vestige of concern for public safety.

    If you truly cared about public safety, then you would agree with me about how the most dangerous of convicted criminals should be treated, and you would agree with me in being solidly opposed to putting any obstacles in the way of allowing honest people the tools with which to defend themselves against these criminals.

    It is clear what side you are on.
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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    and what if the property is owned by the public..or a company?

    than no individual's rights are violated.
    Ultimately, it all gets down to humans rights.

    If property is stolen or damaged, that belongs to an individual, then that individual's rights have been violated.

    If property is stolen or damaged, that belongs to a corporation, then the rights of that corporation, or the rights of the individuals who own stock in that corporation have been violated.

    Public property belongs to the taxpayers of whatever level of government owns that property. Their rights are violated when that property is stolen, damaged, or misused.

    Destruction or theft of property is always a violation of someone's rights.
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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I fear your zeal to deflect has caused you to stop making any amount of sense.
    In order for that to be true, he would have to have, at some point before, actually made any kind of rational sense. Can you point to any instance in which he has made enough sense that a line can be drawn after that point to indicate where he has ceased to do so?
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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    You have enough trust and faith in them to consistently object to my suggestion that the most dangerous of them ought to be permanently removed from free society.

    Either that or else you are flat-out lying (and I consider this the more likely case) when you pretend that any part of your tyrannical NannY-statist position on the subject is motivated in any way by any vestige of concern for public safety.

    If you truly cared about public safety, then you would agree with me about how the most dangerous of convicted criminals should be treated, and you would agree with me in being solidly opposed to putting any obstacles in the way of allowing honest people the tools with which to defend themselves against these criminals.

    It is clear what side you are on.
    I don’t know, Bob. I get what you are saying and the simplicity of the concept is appealing. But, there are times people shouldn’t be locked up forever but still shouldn’t be entitled to own a gun upon release.

    For example, a guy goes into a gas station with a gun and holds up the place. He gets the money, leaves, nobody is hurt. Police catch him, he doesn’t resist, he goes to jail. Now, personally, I think he DESERVES to spend the rest of his life in prison. But if life in prison is what was dished out for him then where is the incentive in not killing all the witnesses or firing on the cops when they come for him?

    There are criminals who use the threat of violence to rob but would never actually kill. Hell, on youtube there are plenty examples of unarmed people fighting back against armed robbers who eventually just give up and run away, without shooting anyone. By making such crimes life in prison or death, rather than say 5,10, or 20 years, they have more incentive to kill. So I don’t think it is in the public’s best interest to always lock them away forever. But I sure as hell don’t think they should be allowed to have a gun when they get out.

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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolv67 View Post
    100 million guns lying around leading to an insane homicide rate is
    Homocide rate
    Venezuela 67
    United States 4.7

    Venezuela has banned guns. Banning guns do not prevent criminals from getting them.

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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    ...If you truly cared about public safety, then you would agree with me about how the most dangerous of convicted criminals should be treated....
    putting all violent felons away for life or just killing them, is not how a free society operates.

    that's how North Korea, China, Iran, and Nazi Germany does things.

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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    I don’t know, Bob. I get what you are saying and the simplicity of the concept is appealing. But, there are times people shouldn’t be locked up forever but still shouldn’t be entitled to own a gun upon release.....
    many crimes do not warrant execution or life-imprisonment, but still do warrant forbidding them from being able to possess a gun once they are out of prison.

    they can of course appeal to get their gun rights back, and thousands of people have done so.

    this concept is good & fair.

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