View Poll Results: Do you support Luna's gun control compromise?

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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    We have 300+ million people. Its not actually that large of an impact.
    we only have 2.2 million people incarcerated.

    adding 1.3 million would be a big deal.

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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    we only have 2.2 million people incarcerated.

    adding 1.3 million would be a big deal.
    Were they going to commit crimes with those guns? All 1.3 million? If anything, it's perhaps cause to remove this restriction from felons whom have completed punishment periods.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Were they going to commit crimes with those guns? All 1.3 million? If anything, it's perhaps cause to remove this restriction from felons whom have completed punishment periods.
    they can appeal to get these restrictions removed. They have due process.

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    I'm kind of a big deal

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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    1.3 million felons and others who have lost their right to own a gun, were prevented from buying a gun due to background checks.

    that's a pretty large impact.
    100% wrong thats the false and broken logic conclusion you come to but its nothing more than your opinion with little to no support. You keep repeating it as if it means somethign but it doesnt so Ill repost my answer from the other thread.

    You can “say” it all you want but you are still wrong and have nothing to support your claim. LOL You are taking a random stat and trying to make it say what you want but that’s not how it works. It seems you don’t have the ability to see the reality of the situation. Your stat is meaningless to what you are trying to make people believe.

    Lets be nice and say the 1.3million guns is actually 1.3 million people, I have some questions.
    How many of these 1.3 million people were going to commit crimes? That’s right you have no clue
    How many of these 1.3 million people still went and got a gun illegally? Again you have no clue
    How many of these people still committed a crime with a gun? Again you have no clue

    So your stat is meaningless and I stand by my claim that while Id support a background check its actual REALITY based impact would still be minimal because criminals don’t care about laws or regulations. And currently you have shown anything factual to impact that statement.

    so call it large if you want you have no support for that claim
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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolv67 View Post
    100 million guns lying around leading to an insane homicide rate is
    Actually it is 270 million guns, 99.99%+ of which are never used in a crime.



    The problems I'd have lay in two things:

    Defining "mentally unstable" and how you determine who is and is not.... this could easily be subject to abuse.

    Second, the domestic violence issue.... I know, as an ex-cop, there's a lot of men convicted of CDV who were actually DEFENDING themselves against a woman who initiated the violence, and I have some issues with a universal and permanent loss of gun rights from same in all cases.


    Also, I'd rather have nationwide universal concealed-carry, than repeal of the machine-gun act.

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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stewart View Post
    I had a feeling would come up, banning rubber bands no. But are there not certain stocks that allow bump firing much easier and more controllable, you could restrict them. The option is not simply oh, bump firing is possible let's make rifles with fully automatics actions legal without restriction. It seems a bit of a non-sequitur to me. Perhaps with limited mag capacity, maybe. But as you pointed out that is difficult to enforce. I just find it odd, shooting rampage occurs and suddenly renewed debate on legalizing fully automatic rifles.
    Automatic weapons manufactured prior to 1984(?) are already legal.
    I can't remember a "rampage" using legally owned automatic weapons, in the past 20 years.

    Automatic just sounds scary to people, but doesn't necessarily make them more dangerous.
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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    ...Lets be nice and say the 1.3 million guns is actually 1.3 million people, I have some questions.
    How many of these 1.3 million people were going to commit crimes? That’s right you have no clue....
    sorry, but I do not share your trust & faith in convicted felons.

    convicted felons cannot be trusted with guns, until our legal system deems them to be trustworthy.

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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    sorry, but I do not share your trust & faith in convicted felons.

    convicted felons cannot be trusted with guns, until our legal system deems them to be trustworthy.
    Our judicial system isn't about "trust", I don't trust the vast majority of idiots out there. Doesn't mean I can infringe upon their rights cause they're stupid and on aggregate will certainly abuse their freedoms. The system is one of punishment based on crime against another's rights.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Our judicial system isn't about "trust", I don't trust the vast majority of idiots out there. Doesn't mean I can infringe upon their rights cause they're stupid and on aggregate will certainly abuse their freedoms. The system is one of punishment based on crime against another's rights.
    that is incorrect, as many crimes can be committed against property.

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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    that is incorrect, as many crimes can be committed against property.
    Several, from vandalism to theft. What does that have to do with anything?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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