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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    Mainly because automatic arms carry with them an exceedingly prohibitive cost, which I'm alright with.
    that is an interesting been of statism from a libertarian and that cost only became truly prohibitive in 1986. Sure when the law was passed 200 dollars was design to allow proper rich WASPS only to afford Tommy guns and not "Papist" or black laborers but by 1984, the cost of a MP5 was less than two grand. Now its 20,000. An idiotic consequence of an idiotic law

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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    Mainly because automatic arms carry with them an exceedingly prohibitive cost, which I'm alright with.
    And Semi-Autos seem to have sufficient lethality as it is.

    Anyway, this is not an issue i'm comfortable intruding on....

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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stewart View Post
    And Semi-Autos seem to have sufficient lethality as it is.

    Anyway, this is not an issue i'm comfortable intruding on....
    people ignorant about weapons tend to assume full auto is more lethal than semi auto

    it depends on the circumstances and generally is not true

    but when someone's main source of education is watching Rambo or Commando they tend to have silly ideas

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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that is an interesting been of statism from a libertarian and that cost only became truly prohibitive in 1986. Sure when the law was passed 200 dollars was design to allow proper rich WASPS only to afford Tommy guns and not "Papist" or black laborers but by 1984, the cost of a MP5 was less than two grand. Now its 20,000. An idiotic consequence of an idiotic law
    You can call me whatever you want. It doesn't take them off the shelves, so I see no problem with it.
    I love the NSA. It's like having a secret fan-base you will never see, but they're there, watching everything you write and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that I may be some person's only form of unconstitutional entertainment one night.

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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    You can call me whatever you want. It doesn't take them off the shelves, so I see no problem with it.
    It prevented any new weapons from being bought

    do you believe only the rich should have access to firearms that are clearly constitutionally protected

    do you think the Hughes Amendment is not in violation of the second amendment?

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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stewart View Post
    And Semi-Autos seem to have sufficient lethality as it is.

    Anyway, this is not an issue i'm comfortable intruding on....
    It's cool, I don't bite. I don't have a problem with a certain level of gun control. It's when the law prevents me from the ability to protect myself that I have a problem. My little 5 shot .38 isn't a danger to anyone unless they present themselves as an immediate threat to life and limb.
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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    It's cool, I don't bite. I don't have a problem with a certain level of gun control. It's when the law prevents me from the ability to protect myself that I have a problem. My little 5 shot .38 isn't a danger to anyone unless they present themselves as an immediate threat to life and limb.
    so you cannot come up with a good argument why one common class of firearms should be only available to the rich

    OK

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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    Automatic fire "increasing lethality" is a myth. All it does is ensure that you won't have a steady aim, and that your magazine empties in seconds. It's why the M-16 is no longer fully automatic, and hasn't been since Vietnam with only a few exceptions. Fully automatic weapons in the hands of civilians are just very expensive toys with no practicality.
    This is something I think a lot of civilians and those not familiar with automatic weapons don't get. I recommend people check out the Mythbusters episode, Hollywood Gunslingers (Season 10 episode 12) where they test just how realistic those long hollywood gunfights are.

    They test a Mac-10, an Uzi, an AK47, an an M-16, all with magazines in the 30 round range. In every case they emptied the magazine in 2 seconds flat. When you move up to the large and larger magazines your just asking for a jam. Frankly, if someone is trying to gun me down, I would much rather they try to do it on fully automatic vice semi-automatic.

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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    It prevented any new weapons from being bought
    It prevented new unregistered fully automatic weapons from being bought and transferred.

    do you believe only the rich should have access to firearms that are clearly constitutionally protected
    There's no such thing as a free lunch. If you want it bad enough, work for it.

    do you think the Hughes Amendment is not in violation of the second amendment?
    It's an infringement, sure, but it doesn't prohibit the right of The People to self defense. With all the high capacity weapons with increased durability and reliability in circulation, it doesn't inhibit the armament of a well regulated Militia, either.
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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so you cannot come up with a good argument why one common class of firearms should be only available to the rich

    OK

    later
    I answered your question, so unwad your panties.
    I love the NSA. It's like having a secret fan-base you will never see, but they're there, watching everything you write and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that I may be some person's only form of unconstitutional entertainment one night.

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