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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolv67 View Post
    100 million guns lying around leading to an insane homicide rate is
    You need to cite your claims.
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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    I guess I need to clarify the mental illness block to buying a gun. Mental health records would remain private and could not be released without your permission. If you went to a shrink, you would be in no danger of your therapist reporting you to a "may not buy gun" list. Here's what could get a person put on that list. Someone commits a serious crime such as shooting people, attacking people, stabbing people, etc., but avoids a conviction due to an insanity defense. That, and only that, gets your on the "may not buy gun" list due to mental health.

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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    I'm sorry, don't you already have enough of a problem with people engaging in shootings armed with semi-automatics? Making them automatic would just increase lethality. Isn't that the whole point of all the 'truth about assault rifle....' videos we see bandied about on these forums. A semi AK can shoot what maybe 60rpm. In fully auto 700-800 rounds. When you consider that people are an easier target in the first few seconds, that represents a large increase in lethality if a shooter had been armed with with fully automatic variants.

    Background checks are useless especially for preventing the sort of mass-murders that tend to stir up calls for more stringent gun controls. James Holmes, Martin Bryant and many others would have passed a criminal check and mental status, possibly. How do you even asses mental status?

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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stewart View Post
    I'm sorry, don't you already have enough of a problem with people engaging in shootings armed with semi-automatics? Making them automatic would just increase lethality. Isn't that the whole point of all the 'truth about assault rifle....' videos we see bandied about on these forums. A semi AK can shoot what maybe 60rpm. In fully auto 700-800 rounds. When you consider that people are an easier target in the first few seconds, that represents a large increase in lethality if a shooter had been armed with with fully automatic variants.

    Background checks are useless especially for preventing the sort of mass-murders that tend to stir up calls for more stringent gun controls. James Holmes, Martin Bryant and many others would have passed a criminal check and mental status, possibly. How do you even asses mental status?
    A person can rapid fire with a semiautomatic by using a technique known as "bump firing." They use a rubber band together with the gun's recoil to make the weapon fire over and over very quickly as if it were automatic. However, the shooter has less control over the gun, making it more dangerous. It would make a lot more sense to just allow automatic weapons to be sold instead of having people use bump firing. I'd doubt you would be able to ban rubber bands.

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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I guess I need to clarify the mental illness block to buying a gun. Mental health records would remain private and could not be released without your permission.
    But it's a requirement to obtaining a firearm in your proposed deal, and therefore not optional.

    If you went to a shrink, you would be in no danger of your therapist reporting you to a "may not buy gun" list. Here's what could get a person put on that list. Someone commits a serious crime such as shooting people, attacking people, stabbing people, etc., but avoids a conviction due to an insanity defense. That, and only that, gets your on the "may not buy gun" list due to mental health.
    That's already an automatic bar from gun ownership.


    Quote Originally Posted by Stewart View Post
    I'm sorry, don't you already have enough of a problem with people engaging in shootings armed with semi-automatics? Making them automatic would just increase lethality. Isn't that the whole point of all the 'truth about assault rifle....' videos we see bandied about on these forums. A semi AK can shoot what maybe 60rpm. In fully auto 700-800 rounds. When you consider that people are an easier target in the first few seconds, that represents a large increase in lethality if a shooter had been armed with with fully automatic variants.
    Automatic fire "increasing lethality" is a myth. All it does is ensure that you won't have a steady aim, and that your magazine empties in seconds. It's why the M-16 is no longer fully automatic, and hasn't been since Vietnam with only a few exceptions. Fully automatic weapons in the hands of civilians are just very expensive toys with no practicality.
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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    I'd support it simply to be allowed to purchase automatic weapons much cheaper. And I don't have a problem requiring background checks for all gun sales, but as I mentioned in the other thread that brought that up, doing so will be impossible to enforce.
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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    A person can rapid fire with a semiautomatic by using a technique known as "bump firing." They use a rubber band together with the gun's recoil to make the weapon fire over and over very quickly as if it were automatic. However, the shooter has less control over the gun, making it more dangerous. It would make a lot more sense to just allow automatic weapons to be sold instead of having people use bump firing. I'd doubt you would be able to ban rubber bands.
    I had a feeling would come up, banning rubber bands no. But are there not certain stocks that allow bump firing much easier and more controllable, you could restrict them. The option is not simply oh, bump firing is possible let's make rifles with fully automatics actions legal without restriction. It seems a bit of a non-sequitur to me. Perhaps with limited mag capacity, maybe. But as you pointed out that is difficult to enforce. I just find it odd, shooting rampage occurs and suddenly renewed debate on legalizing fully automatic rifles.

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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Darrell View Post
    In my own opinion, number 2 is a bad idea.
    why, no civilian owned legal machine gun has ever been used in a crime of violence other than a DAYTON POLICE OFFICER shooting someone illegally with an UZI he owned

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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolv67 View Post
    I would not accept anything other than no guns allowed outside one's place of residence. Even in your #1 with mental illness, you'd have to raise the minimum age to buy guns for it to be realistic. Most with mental instability and anger issues aren't officially diagnosed (apparently not the killer in this case), and many convicted felons are and were harmless. It really doesn't take much (alcohol) to set off even a "normal" person who has a gun attached to their hip already. When I see reactions to the theater massacre like "I'm thinking of buying a gun" that just affirms my belief that most people are too irrationally scared ****less to be allowed to carry a lethal weapon around in public.

    They would not have stopped the massacre. They would have been hiding on the floor after the first tear gas was thrown or try to run away like everyone else did, or far more likely they at some point kill someone themselves in a fit of rage or it goes off on accident. Even more likely they would not have been there, or in any situation where they have time to react, get their gun out and use it. That's just what we need anyway, two gun toting idiots firing away in a pitch dark theater.

    Not to mention in the vast majority of cases, if this is really about self defense and not reigning in one's fear (and feeling like a badass), mace and other non lethal objects should be more easily acquired than guns. Everyday people walking around with automatic weapons would just ensure I never leave the house, or high tail it to a more sane country.
    silly hoplophobia raises its head again.

    its funny that the people least educated on guns and self defense are the quickest to claim that guns in AUrora could not have helped.

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    Re: would you support this gun control compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why, no civilian owned legal machine gun has ever been used in a crime of violence other than a DAYTON POLICE OFFICER shooting someone illegally with an UZI he owned
    Mainly because automatic arms carry with them an exceedingly prohibitive cost, which I'm alright with.
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