View Poll Results: Obama Tax Supporters=What is more Important to You

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    1 6.25%
  • Sticking it to the rich with a tax hike for everyone

    15 93.75%
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Abolishing the Bush tax cuts are meaningless to the current economy. If the Obama government receives more tax payer generated revenue do you really think they will use it to pay off the debt?
    Obama needs the tax hikes to convince the weak minded that this additional revenue (which might not even materialize from a tax hike) justifies Obama spending more money to buy the votes of the weak minded

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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Never said they could, and having trained hard for the olympics I know most of us never made it let alone get a gold medal

    but I was several time all american and two time America Cup winner as a result. While you might not get your goals the giving it your best shot results in other rewards

    same with trying your best to be prosperous.

    I argue that even if you don't make it to the top one percent, you are better off to give it your best shot than to sit back and whine that the game is rigged and there is no use in trying
    Dangling a lie in front of someone is dishonest in the extreme.
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Dangling a lie in front of someone is dishonest in the extreme.
    that lie in your opinion being?

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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that lie in your opinion being?
    That everyone should strive to be in the 1%. Not everyone thinks being rich and wealthy is the be all and end all of our purpose here on the planet.

    You are proposing a fools errand.
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    still wanting others to pay for your existence?

    i want everyone to try to become the top 1 percent

    you want everyone to give up and quit

    Nope, just want a better economy. Most of the debt was due to excessive military spending, optional wars and tax cuts for the wealthy, and now they reckon it is the middle class that should suffer to pay for those excesses, which will hurt the economy even more.

    As James Carville noted, "Its the economy stupid!"
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That everyone should strive to be in the 1%. Not everyone thinks being rich and wealthy is the be all and end all of our purpose here on the planet.

    You are proposing a fools errand.
    you seem to have a difficult time distinguishing between an opinion and a fact

    this is why i said


    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post

    I argue that even if you don't make it to the top one percent, you are better off to give it your best shot than to sit back and whine that the game is rigged and there is no use in trying
    understand now

    its my opinion you are better off to try and fail than to sit back and give up

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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you seem to have a difficult time distinguishing between an opinion and a fact

    this is why i said




    understand now

    its my opinion you are better off to try and fail than to sit back and give up
    Your statement is based on the false premise that there are only two choices before mankind
    1- to be in the top 1% of economic earners , or
    2 - sit back and give up

    You need to research Logical Fallacies. This will help you get started and avoid such mistakes in the future

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_fallacies

    this deals specifically with the error you made on this topic

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dichotomy
    Last edited by haymarket; 07-28-12 at 11:45 PM.
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the middle class drives most of the government spending.

    most of what the government does is not sustainable

    only when the middle class starts punishing high spending politicians will the deficit have a chance to be diminished
    In one post you blame the Middle-Class as the drivers of government spending then you do an about face and blame politicans for govoernment spending run amok. You can't have it both ways. Either it's selfish, do-nothing-always-with-their-hand-out Middle-Class wage earners who insist on more and more government spending to cover for their irresponsibility or its politicians who run up the federal tab with bills with massive appropriations or excessive waste through ears-marks and the like. Which is it?

    Personally, I think you're tagging the wrong segment of the population for your partisan attacks. It's not the Middle-Class you should be directing your anger. It's really those among the poorest of us who actually could excel to the Middle-Class but choose not to and live off the government dole. And before I'm mischaracterized, I do understand that there are those among us who are on government entitlement programs not because they want to be, but because they have no other choice. There are people out there with real problems and who through no fault of their own need help meeting their needs whether it's on health care or food stamps or whatever. The father who is self-employed but profits are low in a slow (downed) economy; the wife who suddenly becomes a single-parent because she just lost her husband to an unfortunate accident or divorce. The senior citizen who has a serious illness and needs his/her prescription medications to survive. The middle-aged adult who is suddenly diagnosed with a serious illness and can no longer work and, thus, can no longer pay for her health care.

    There are people out there who have serious needs but do to no fault of their own look to government for assistance. But there are also folks out there who are lazy and don't want to do anything to change their circumstance. Believe me when I say I see the types of people I speak of every day. I listen to their stories; some are heartbreaking while others make you so damned angry you just want to shake them and yell, "Wake the (blank) up!" Regardless, it's not the Middle-Class that the economic drain, IMO. But I will give you credit for placing half the blame in the right place - wasteful appropriations by politicians. That we both can agree on.

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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Abolishing the Bush tax cuts are meaningless to the current economy. If the Obama government receives more tax payer generated revenue do you really think they will use it to pay off the debt?
    I'm so tired of hearing this argument. You self-appointed deficit hawks and defenders of responsible government are still living in the past. Nevermind that you didn't voice these same arguments when your side of the political ledger was spending money like tomorrow never mattered. It's only when the economy faces running over the fiscal cliff and a Democrat is in office do you suddenly begin to care about debts and deficits. It's such a bold-faced mischaracterization of what two of the last 3 Democrat Presidents have done - reduce the debt.

    Fact is only 1 U.S. President has ever gotten this country completely out of debt: Andrew Jackson.

    And for all the talk of Democrat Presidents starting new federal agencies or increasing federal spending, you guys on the Right completely ignore the fact that over the last 60 years Ike, Nixon, Reagan, GHW Bush and GW Bush all increased the debt AND/OR started new branches of governments. Yet, you want to blame Democrats for adding to the deficit only because they fell back on their no-more-spending, Pay-Go pledge under Reagan. Come on, man! Not all of us forget history but some of us do know how to put it in perspective.
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 07-29-12 at 12:41 AM.

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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Obama needs the tax hikes to convince the weak minded that this additional revenue (which might not even materialize from a tax hike) justifies Obama spending more money to buy the votes of the weak minded
    In pretend partisan world. The fact is, you can't cut enough to erase the debt. Nor can you tax enough. It will require that we both cut taxes and cut spending. Or have a republicna win and the aprtisan's will forget about the debt again.

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