View Poll Results: Obama Tax Supporters=What is more Important to You

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    1 6.25%
  • Sticking it to the rich with a tax hike for everyone

    15 93.75%
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    large businesses are not those who create the majority of new jobs - that distinction belongs to small businesses, which are typically owned by individuals who file their business under individual tax returns....
    and what is stopping them from incorporating?

    I have friends who are incorporated.

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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Other, eliminate the tax cuts for the wealthy and extend the tax cuts for the middle class as that will have the most positive effect on the economy.
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I think I would just play the bit about Obama saying that in a recession, you don't want to raise taxes on anyone on loop. Then I would remind everyone that Democrats voted in 2010 when they held massive majorities to extend all the Bush tax cuts. Then I would ask if this means that Democrats now think that we are in good economic times, to where we can take a hit and sustain losing more jobs?
    That's fine, but very few people's opinions are going to be swayed about tax policy based on what Obama or congressional Democrats said or did a couple years ago. The fact remains that Republicans are on the losing end of a very powerful soundbite. Most people simply think that the wealthy should pay more in taxes, and therefore "the Republicans are holding your tax rates hostage" is more effective than the analogous counterattack. The GOP will almost certainly come out looking worse than the Democrats from any end-of-year scuffle over tax rates...and if Obama is reelected they will lose the substantive battle too, since the Democrats don't have to do anything in order for the tax cuts for the rich to expire.
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Other, eliminate the tax cuts for the wealthy and extend the tax cuts for the middle class as that will have the most positive effect on the economy.
    I figured the Obama tax fans would not be able to provide an answer

    what means more to you

    keeping your tax cuts if it means I keep mine

    or sticking it to us "evil rich" but having to suffer a tax hike yourself

    what is more important

    hikes for everyone

    current tax rates for everyone?

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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    and what is stopping them from incorporating?
    higher tax rates.

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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    That's fine, but very few people's opinions are going to be swayed about tax policy based on what Obama or congressional Democrats said or did a couple years ago.
    that is correct - this merely negates the attempted "perception" victory by demonstrating that Democrats are not acting in what they perceive to be the nations' best interests, but rather in what they perceive to be their political best interests.

    The fact remains that Republicans are on the losing end of a very powerful soundbite. Most people simply think that the wealthy should pay more in taxes, and therefore "the Republicans are holding your tax rates hostage" is more effective than the analogous counterattack. The GOP will almost certainly come out looking worse than the Democrats from any end-of-year scuffle over tax rates...and if Obama is reelected they will lose the substantive battle too, since the Democrats don't have to do anything in order for the tax cuts for the rich to expire.
    I think you are overestimating the salience of this. People care alot more about growth than tax rates, which is why they trust Romney more on economic issues.

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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    large businesses are not those who create the majority of new jobs - that distinction belongs to small businesses, which are typically owned by individuals who file their business under individual tax returns.
    But the same thing applies to small businesses. The credit crunch of 2008-2010 was a temporary phenomenon resulting from the financial crisis. Lack of consumer demand is a far bigger drag on hiring than a lack of money.

    And the stimulus was sold as a way to create jobs, and it will thus be measured by it's success at meeting predictions regarding employment. It was not sold as a wealth-redistribution scheme, and is not going to be judged a success or failure on the extent to which it did so.
    Agreed. And providing consumers with more cash will stimulate consumer demand, which in turn will remove the greatest roadblock to more hiring.
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Neither. Income taxes should be raised five points across the board. Inheritance and estate taxes should be abolished and them oney taxed as income according to the normal schedules. The same with capital gains tax.

    Now Turtle - before you give us standard Turtle Talking points 5, 6 and 7, - how do you intend to solve the federal deficit WITHOUT a significant tax icnrease?

    Or is it your intention to bend our children and grand children over the table to pay for what we refuse to be adult enough to pay for?

    You keep coming out AGAINST tax increases across the board but you never ever ever say how you plan on erasing the deficit and debt with an actual practical and pragmatic plan.
    Actually, I think raising everyone's taxes 5% is an excellent idea.

    My problem with any increase, however, is that we have absolutely no reason to believe the extra revenue will reduce the deficit. Absolutely none.
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    If you want the wealthy to continue creating jobs, the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy need to be renewed.
    That line doesn't work anymore.

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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I figured the Obama tax fans would not be able to provide an answer

    what means more to you

    keeping your tax cuts if it means I keep mine

    or sticking it to us "evil rich" but having to suffer a tax hike yourself

    what is more important

    hikes for everyone

    current tax rates for everyone?
    I provided an answer, its just one that those of the far right don't like. There is no need to choose all or nothing. The working class have been shown there is no longer a reason to continue to allow the tax cuts for the wealthy. The plan is to extend the tax cuts for the middle class and eliminate the tax cuts for the wealthy as that is the best way to stimulate the economy.
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