View Poll Results: Obama Tax Supporters=What is more Important to You

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    1 6.25%
  • Sticking it to the rich with a tax hike for everyone

    15 93.75%
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Not at all.

    Not when the very article you quoted from implied that the support y'all speak of wasn't really there. Oh, yeah...they all publicly express support when there was no chance of getting it...but when they DID have the chance, they are suddenly silent. It was all just political posturing...something the Democrats excel at.
    LOL! They put it in writing. How many Republicans put in writing that they supported the public option that a majority of voters wanted?
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    If a budget is passed for the next fiscal year that reduces overall spending, then that's the budget. If any changes are made to it in the course of that fiscal year, we will have on record who changed the budget. This scenario is unacceptable to the Democrats because they won't take responsibility for their actions. They only want to blame Republicans. ... ...
    Democrats "only want to blame Republicans"; I take that as the objective because it is stated as such by many sources besides you. When I watch FOX News or listen to Rush I recall hearing is blaming, more blaming, then finishing with blaming. I listen and find that content is not necessary and this is because things are so simple to understand. The reason that I don't understand the Republican POV is an engineer like me sees a bunch of interdependencies in our economy that most don't want to work on or admit exist. The complexity is there. It was not created by any party. Sorry, the system even has various time delays in the feedback paths besides complex inputs. And your understanding is "They only want to blame Republicans."
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    1. Seriously, I don't think ANY politician wants the government to fail...not Republicans...not Democrats. But you go right ahead with your hyperbolic insinuations...makes for a good forum post and a good campaign soundbite.
    While a clear minority, I think some do. It keeps them provided with evidence.

    2. "Feeding the beast" was YOUR soundbite. And, sure, the Republicans are a part of the beast. But, at least, they are trying to put the beast on a diet. The Democrats only want to shovel more down it's throat.
    I believe I used the term slightly differently.

    3. At this point...under these economic conditions...zero tolerance is a good thing if it can break the cycle of spending more and taxing more.
    Only if you want the problem to continue and get worse. Though some will forget about it when a republican gets into office.

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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the interesting point I have made for years that is never addressed is the following

    If the middle class is told that there is a deficit and they are told that only the rich should be taxed more to pay for it, the middle class won't worry about the deficit. They will assume the government can keep on spending on them since the rich will pay the bills.
    Yours is a false assumption.

    First off, you speak as if the Middle-Class doesn't care about the nation's deficit. Fact is WE DO! WE care a great deal about it because WE make up the bulk of the "labor force". As such, WE will be that demographic group who works to pay down the deficit over the course of the next generation or two.

    Second, you assume that the bulk of the Middle-Class has their hand out to the government and have some vendetta against the Wealth-Class. Nothing could be further from the truth! Middle-Class Americans as a whole don't hate the wealthy. However, we do see that there is an income disparity between the Wealth-Class and the Middle-Class which has been widely publizied. Only those who ignore this fact will discredit it as untrue.

    The issue isn't whether or not one economic group has specific expectations of another, i.e., "the rich will pay the bills". The issue is "national affordability", i.e., can this nation afford to continue in its current economic policies that favor the Wealth-Class over all others where or politicians and many of our nation's citizens realize that said policies are not economically sustainable. Sure, our government spends too much. The current Administration agrees! Unfortunately, the pundits have done a masterful job of convincing the public that the needless, wasteful spending continues under a Democrat president when there has been evidence to the contrary.

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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Yours is a false assumption.

    First off, you speak as if the Middle-Class doesn't care about the nation's deficit. Fact is WE DO! WE care a great deal about it because WE make up the bulk of the "labor force". As such, WE will be that demographic group who works to pay down the deficit over the course of the next generation or two.

    Second, you assume that the bulk of the Middle-Class has their hand out to the government and have some vendetta against the Wealth-Class. Nothing could be further from the truth! Middle-Class Americans as a whole don't hate the wealthy. However, we do see that there is an income disparity between the Wealth-Class and the Middle-Class which has been widely publizied. Only those who ignore this fact will discredit it as untrue.

    The issue isn't whether or not one economic group has specific expectations of another, i.e., "the rich will pay the bills". The issue is "national affordability", i.e., can this nation afford to continue in its current economic policies that favor the Wealth-Class over all others where or politicians and many of our nation's citizens realize that said policies are not economically sustainable. Sure, our government spends too much. The current Administration agrees! Unfortunately, the pundits have done a masterful job of convincing the public that the needless, wasteful spending continues under a Democrat president when there has been evidence to the contrary.

    the middle class drives most of the government spending.

    most of what the government does is not sustainable

    only when the middle class starts punishing high spending politicians will the deficit have a chance to be diminished

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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the middle class drives most of the government spending.

    most of what the government does is not sustainable

    only when the middle class starts punishing high spending politicians will the deficit have a chance to be diminished

    For 30 years the 1% and their lackeys the Republicans accumulate massive debt on excessive military spending, optional wars and tax cuts for the wealthy, and now they reckon it is the middle class that should suffer to pay for those excesses.


    Sounds like you've got yourself a winning argument there!
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    For 30 years the 1% and their lackeys the Republicans accumulate massive debt on excessive military spending, optional wars and tax cuts for the wealthy, and now they reckon it is the middle class that should suffer to pay for those excesses.


    Sounds like you've got yourself a winning argument there!
    still wanting others to pay for your existence?

    i want everyone to try to become the top 1 percent

    you want everyone to give up and quit

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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    still wanting others to pay for your existence?

    i want everyone to try to become the top 1 percent

    you want everyone to give up and quit
    Could explain the mathematics involved of everyone being in the top 1%?
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Abolishing the Bush tax cuts are meaningless to the current economy. If the Obama government receives more tax payer generated revenue do you really think they will use it to pay off the debt?
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Could explain the mathematics involved of everyone being in the top 1%?
    Never said they could, and having trained hard for the olympics I know most of us never made it let alone get a gold medal

    but I was several time all american and two time America Cup winner as a result. While you might not get your goals the giving it your best shot results in other rewards

    same with trying your best to be prosperous.

    I argue that even if you don't make it to the top one percent, you are better off to give it your best shot than to sit back and whine that the game is rigged and there is no use in trying

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