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    1 6.25%
  • Sticking it to the rich with a tax hike for everyone

    15 93.75%
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "Under Clinton, the United States had a projected federal budget surplus for the first time since 1969 in the 1998 federal budget; the budgets for 1999, 2000, and 2001 also had surpluses."

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    Blah, blah, blah.

    Go back a few post and read up on it.
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Give me a break. This isn't some fantasy world we are living in.

    The legislation is never written the way you envision...it's always written as: Implement increased taxes now...promise to cut a certain amount over a certain period of time. The result: Taxes increase right now...the cuts never happen.

    The only way to end this procedure is to implement spending cuts...with no conditions. Just do it. After we see reduced government spending, THEN...we can talk about tax increases.

    But, of course, as long as there are Democrats around...especially if they control at least one branch of Congress...this'll never happen. The result: What we have now...both sides trying to spin things to make the other side look bad...and nothing getting done.

    So it goes.
    Funny but it is the Republican led House that is screaming about budget cuts that will cost millions of jobs. You seem to be all alone out there unless you count the Europeans who budget cut themselves right back into a recession. I guess you must be one of those that do better in recessions or you wouldn't be so anxious to put us back in one. U.S. Govt. spending has been at 20% of GDP for the last 20 years and revenue hs been at 15% since the Bush tax cuts, spending is not the crux of the debt problem, revenue is.

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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Blah, blah, blah.

    Go back a few post and read up on it.
    As referenced above, this part of the historical record,

    "Under Clinton, the United States had a projected federal budget surplus for the first time since 1969 in the 1998 federal budget; the budgets for 1999, 2000, and 2001 also had surpluses."

    It is your prerogative to ignore if you wish, but it is still part of the historical record.
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    No it wasn't.
    "2008: The controversy started during the 2008 Presidential election campaign. One of Obama's campaign promises was to create a government program, similar to that used by Congress, that would extend health care insurance coverage to everyone. He also wanted a national electronic information exchange system to provide patient care records to any doctor who needed it. Critics called this socialism, since it involved the government in mandatory health care for everyone, similar to countries in Europe and Canada. It was ironic that these same legislators didn't have the same objection to their own government-sponsored health care."

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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "2008: The controversy started during the 2008 Presidential election campaign. One of Obama's campaign promises was to create a government program, similar to that used by Congress, that would extend health care insurance coverage to everyone. He also wanted a national electronic information exchange system to provide patient care records to any doctor who needed it. Critics called this socialism, since it involved the government in mandatory health care for everyone, similar to countries in Europe and Canada. It was ironic that these same legislators didn't have the same objection to their own government-sponsored health care."

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    What I find ironic is that what the Democrats ended up foisting upon the American People is not what Obama promised. But then again, maybe I shouldn't find it ironic, since it's not the only thing he lied about.
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    What I find ironic is that what the Democrats ended up foisting upon the American People is not what Obama promised. But then again, maybe I shouldn't find it ironic, since it's not the only thing he lied about.
    The president and the majority of Democrats made it very clear they preferred the public option, but in the end the conservatives won out and instead adopted the alternative to UHC they had developed previously. So, at least now everyone will have access to health care and the lower cost of electronic transfer of health records. The plan now is to get more progressives elected to upgrade to a public option.
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Give me a break. This isn't some fantasy world we are living in.

    The legislation is never written the way you envision...it's always written as: Implement increased taxes now...promise to cut a certain amount over a certain period of time. The result: Taxes increase right now...the cuts never happen.

    The only way to end this procedure is to implement spending cuts...with no conditions. Just do it. After we see reduced government spending, THEN...we can talk about tax increases.

    But, of course, as long as there are Democrats around...especially if they control at least one branch of Congress...this'll never happen. The result: What we have now...both sides trying to spin things to make the other side look bad...and nothing getting done.

    So it goes.
    How about if we increase taxes, reduce spending and write into the law which does both that a specific amount MUST be used to retire the debt?
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Funny but it is the Republican led House that is screaming about budget cuts that will cost millions of jobs. You seem to be all alone out there unless you count the Europeans who budget cut themselves right back into a recession. I guess you must be one of those that do better in recessions or you wouldn't be so anxious to put us back in one. U.S. Govt. spending has been at 20% of GDP for the last 20 years and revenue hs been at 15% since the Bush tax cuts, spending is not the crux of the debt problem, revenue is.
    You should read up on the legislation passed by the Republican-led House...that is stalled in the Democratic-led Senate. Most of it concerns getting rid of the massive government control that is driving spending...including Obamacare. Also, since...as you say...spending has been at 20% of GDP and revenue has been at 15%...reducing spending (ie, reducing the size, scope and power of government) is preferable. That way, that percentage you speak of won't increase when the economy turns sour.

    On another note, Obama is doing just fine in putting us back in a recession without implementing GOP proposals. Just look at the latest news about our pathetic economic growth. He's been failing for almost four years...and you want to do more of the same? Doesn't sound very smart to me.
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The president and the majority of Democrats made it very clear they preferred the public option, but in the end the conservatives won out and instead adopted the alternative to UHC they had developed previously. So, at least now everyone will have access to health care and the lower cost of electronic transfer of health records. The plan now is to get more progressives elected to upgrade to a public option.
    Oh, I'm sure you are correct on what the plan is...but you are wrong to connect the Republicans with any of it. In fact, it was certain Democrats who objected to the public option...and that objection is why we have Obamacare. Obama, Pelosi and Reid HAD to pass something and they made whatever deals were necessary with their own Party members to do it. The Republicans were shut out of the whole stinking thing, so don't try to spin it as being THEIR fault.
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    Re: Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    How about if we increase taxes, reduce spending and write into the law which does both that a specific amount MUST be used to retire the debt?
    No.

    The only way to ensure that spending is cut is to pass a budget that spends less money. Anything else...such as your suggestion...can be ignored or changed at any time after such a law is passed.

    Of course, spending won't get cut because the Democrats won't pass such a budget...and here we are.
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